Another Election ?
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Seeing as how this scandal is the very knife that's gutting what regard Mr. Chrétien had left, it's a pity MR. Martin couldn't get it to work sooner, or find a grip that would keep the spatter off him.Cardinal Fang said:
For all the complaints of dirty politics as his supporters stacked riding executives across the country, Martin's shown little talent for the kind of message management that might have had his new guard looking good, as the old guard was consigned to the flames.
He still seems like a well-intentioned guy who just doesn't get that in politics the first rule is: There are no rules.
The conservatives have live down their own actions when they won majorities.Truncador said:
The postering about selling off the CBC, Priivatizing Health Care and Tax Cuts at any costs have to stop.
I have voted conservative in the past but Harris & Mulroney changed that.
When you think of privitizing Health Care and CBC etc think of the fantastic deal Harris made for the 407 & Mulroney's buddy deal for the Toronto Airport
I afriend who was at a senior level in the local Conservative riding campaining heavily for Harris has said that the Liberal governtment should declare the sail nul and void due to fraud and take any costs incurred out of Harris and his cabinet's hides.
This type of thing is what scares people. These can't be easily undone once set in motion.
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yychobbyist
You have to be kidding. Let’s see FIRA, NEP, nationalizing (or to use his newspeak, Canadianizing) private firms, running massive deficits and deficits that kept increasing as a percent of GDP (at least Mulroney managed to reverse that part), starving the Canadian forces (at one point he even wanted to get Canada out of NATO), the war measures act, etc., etc. Need I go on?yychobbyist said:
He did not do as much as he should have but he did start the process of reducing it as a percentage of GDP. Moroever, he did get operating surpluses (e.g. it it were not for interest paymenets, there would have been surpluses) The laws of compound interest mean that was a positive step in correcting the deficits. However, I agree that he did not do nearly enough in that regard.n_v said:
Under Brian Mulroney's regime, the federal government had an operating surplus - it was only interest on the debt which was creating the deficits. The monetary reforms implemented in the late 1980s (the war on inflation) set the stage for low interest rates through the 1990s which allowed not just Ottawa, but virtually all the provinces as well, to balance the books.
The Free Trade Agreement was vital to Canada's economic future. The replacement of the federal Manufacturers Sales Tax with the GST was part and parcel of the policy to reduce and eliminate tariffs.
John Turner was a former free trader who only opposed the FTA in 1988 as a political calculation. Jean Chrétien, after taking the Liberal leadership in 1990 claimed to support free trade but claimed to oppose the GST - demonstrating that he either was a liar, or understood neither the FTA nor the GST.
Mulroney brought us into the OAS and G7 (which used to be the G5). Canadian foreign policy helped bring an end to apartheid in South Africa. In those days, despite our decrepit armed forces (Mulroney did nothing to correct the negligence of Trudeau in National Defense), Canada had influence on the international stage. The fact that Mulroney was even considered for the job of Secretary General of the UN was a tribute to Canadian policy.
On the constitutional front, Trudeau sowed the seeds of national disunity by proceeding with constitutional change without Quebec. Mulroney had fixed the problem at Meech Lake, until Trudeau and his lackey Clyde Wells set out to destroy the spirit of unity.
For many initiatives the Mulroney government should be applauded. Where he failed Canadians was in his shameless cronyism and unabashed extravagance. He also promised tax relief and didn't deliver.
The Free Trade Agreement was vital to Canada's economic future. The replacement of the federal Manufacturers Sales Tax with the GST was part and parcel of the policy to reduce and eliminate tariffs.
John Turner was a former free trader who only opposed the FTA in 1988 as a political calculation. Jean Chrétien, after taking the Liberal leadership in 1990 claimed to support free trade but claimed to oppose the GST - demonstrating that he either was a liar, or understood neither the FTA nor the GST.
Mulroney brought us into the OAS and G7 (which used to be the G5). Canadian foreign policy helped bring an end to apartheid in South Africa. In those days, despite our decrepit armed forces (Mulroney did nothing to correct the negligence of Trudeau in National Defense), Canada had influence on the international stage. The fact that Mulroney was even considered for the job of Secretary General of the UN was a tribute to Canadian policy.
On the constitutional front, Trudeau sowed the seeds of national disunity by proceeding with constitutional change without Quebec. Mulroney had fixed the problem at Meech Lake, until Trudeau and his lackey Clyde Wells set out to destroy the spirit of unity.
For many initiatives the Mulroney government should be applauded. Where he failed Canadians was in his shameless cronyism and unabashed extravagance. He also promised tax relief and didn't deliver.
Trudeau, minority before Clark
Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1972 election: Liberal (109); PC (107); NDP (31); Social Credit (15) and Other (2)
Elected by an extremely small plurality (41 per cent of seats versus the PCs' 40.5 per cent), Trudeau called an election within two years and won it by a more comfortable margin (53.4 per cent of seats).
ice_dog said:
Pierre Trudeau (Liberal)
1972 election: Liberal (109); PC (107); NDP (31); Social Credit (15) and Other (2)
Elected by an extremely small plurality (41 per cent of seats versus the PCs' 40.5 per cent), Trudeau called an election within two years and won it by a more comfortable margin (53.4 per cent of seats).
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yychobbyist
And prior to that we had three minorities in succession:"
1962 (PC - Diefenbaker)
1963 (Liberal - Pearson)
1965 (Liberal - Pearson)
From Louis St-Laurent to Mulroney there were never two back-to-back majorities.
We survived the 1960s and we'll be able to survive a few minority Parliaments.
1962 (PC - Diefenbaker)
1963 (Liberal - Pearson)
1965 (Liberal - Pearson)
From Louis St-Laurent to Mulroney there were never two back-to-back majorities.
We survived the 1960s and we'll be able to survive a few minority Parliaments.
