Anti-Immigration activists sent packing at Christie Pitts as counter protestors drown out protestors 10 to 1
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You're taking the side of Israel in an argument about how you back democracy?
own goal.
No, I'm taking the side of the Palestinians. Who were there before the Israeli immigrants arrived.
Frank, do I have to explain how the mass migration of European Jews to Palestine altered it forever?
I'm just trying to figure out what you are trying to say here.
Are you trying to compare colonization in Palestine by zionists with general immigration and equal rights in the rest of the world?
The other point is that Israelis were settlers much like the early Canadians who came here.
The recent arrivals to Canada are immigrants who are invited or provided visas which is not exactly the same.
False. Israelis are indigenous to the land.
The term "Israel" appears thousands of times throughout the Bible, whereas "Palestine" appears only once. The Bible mentions "Palestine" in Joel 3:4, referring to the land in relation to the ancient Philistines. In contrast, "Israel" refers to the nation and people of Israel, first appearing as a name given to the patriarch Jacob and later used for the united kingdom and the northern kingdom.
"Israel" in the Bible
- Old Testament:
The word "Israel" is mentioned frequently in the Old Testament, appearing thousands of times.
- New Testament:
"Israel" is also mentioned in the New Testament, though fewer times than in the Old Testament.
- Meaning:
"Israel" refers to the people descended from Jacob (who was also named Israel), the Promised Land, and the nation of Israel.
- Single Mention: The word "Palestine" appears only once in the Bible.
- Location: This mention is found in Joel 3:4.
- Context: The reference is related to the Philistines, an ancient people who shared the region with the Israelites.
Key Differences
- Usage:
The term "Israel" is used extensively to describe the people and land associated with the Israelites.
- Ancient Terminology:
The word "Palestine" as a geographical term did not exist during the biblical period. The biblical text refers to the land of the Philistines (Philistine territory)
- Following the Jewish rebellion’s defeat during the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 135 CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Syria Palaestina. This act was a deliberate attempt to sever the Jewish connection to the land.
During the 19th and early 20th centuries, the term “Palestine” was employed expansively, covering territories from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
I totally agree with this, No issues about the immigrants who were granted visas...they go through the grueling process. The only issue I have were those who were granted student visas who thinks they are entitled to stay here after graduating...isn't it up to our immigration to decide or are they really entitled to stay?
Yes, they are not supposed to expect to be able to immigrate when they come here as students.
But that is rarely the case.
Everyone comes here with an intent to immigrate eventually, which is why I presume they spend all that money.
In any case, they have a right to make their voices heard and protest about changes to visa rules, which is fundamental to our democracy.
But ultimately, yes immigration decides.
Here's the thing, on the student visa application
-you are required to pay at least 50k for your studies
-foreign students apply for this because they believe Canadian Universities are of higher standards and will guarantee them a big career when they return. (good for their resume)
-really intelligent individuals will get scholarships and most often get fast tracked to PR because why not, Canada needs smart individuals.
-problem is, there are scammers on some other countries and they do PROMISE those poor individuals a "gateway", borrow money, become a student and off to the races.
Here's from CIC
No, a Canadian student visa does not guarantee permanent residency (PR). While Canada offers various pathways to immigration for graduates, PR is not an automatic outcome and depends on factors like skills, work experience, and labor market needs. International students can improve their chances by gaining work experience, often through a Post-Graduation Work Permit (PGWP), and applying for programs like Express Entry or Provincial Nominee Programs.
Yes that is what I said.
Student visa is not an immigration visa but the intent of students coming here and paying so much money is most likely to immigrate.
So when they change the rules, that fucks them, so they protest. Which is still their right in a democracy.
I am not talking about scammers though. That needs to be handled.
I think in general how many admissions a university issues to international students should be scrutinized as I believe many smaller ones with not enough staff or infrastructure are just doing it for the money.
PS: I don't believe Canadian universities provide scholarships to international students. Neither do smart students get fast tracked as they fall within the same rules of the student visas.
Bottom line, Student visa holders should not expect to become PR. No rules were changed regarding that...you only channel you get to become a PR for a student visa holder is a job offer for a career that is on the list on the immigration most likely skilled, medical, engineering etc....not a job offer from Timmy's.
What rules were changed btw? I came here in the 90s not as a student but a skilled worker. I also considered coming to study but didn't went that way because like i said, it wasn't a guarantee PR.
I dont know what rules were changed.
Yes rules can be changed at any time.
My point is that they still have a right to protest. That right is fundamental to a democracy.
I'm not arguing with you on right to protest, I'm just pointing out, they are not YET entitled for a PR...whether they know this and just protesting anyways, or they were "promised" with misinformation. It wasn't really rules that were changed, it was the programs that has expired.
They were protesting changes to work visa rules, that would impact their stay post study, not PR.
they are, you can call them Arabs from Jordan, Lebanon and around the area...just like Israelites...
Most zionists are foreigners. There is a Jewish population that was there before zionism but they were only about 7% of the population, IIRC.
DNA tests are now banned, you need to ask permission, as Israel doesn't want knowledge that they are foreigners public.
