Anti-Semitic Terror - Bondi Beach Massacre - 16 dead thus far

[Frankfooter]

They can and should still be called Nazis though, lmfao.

The question is whether zionists, who are guilty of the same crime of genocide as nazis, should be treated the same as nazis.
Legally, morally and socially, of course.

The only way to stop this escalating violence is to end the genocide, apartheid and occupation and to bring both sides to public, Nuremberg style trials.
Followed by full restitution and either equal rights for all, including the Palestinian refugees, or full restitution and a fully independent Palestinian state that is allowed to defend itself.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000477776454070674

 

[richaceg]

Ah, that old defence.
Genocidal zionists think their victims are filled with genocidal hate as they are.
Which makes them ok with committing genocide.

You have no answer but more genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000673499845726214

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000913969536541050

Bondi beach shooter just proved me right...2 abled armed men fired at civilians who aren't even protesting...just celebrating Hannukah...
-Were the 2 men with guns trying to retrieve hostages? No
-Did they send out warning to evacuate? No
-They went there and start shooting civilians... the Hamas playbook.
And you think it's justified because there are some "zionists" in there...
You are a real piece of work...

 

[Frankfooter]

-They went there and start shooting civilians... the Hamas playbook.

Every accusation is a confession, rich.
Your hate is trying to justify escalation in the genocide.

You need to find a way to deescalate and end your genocidal hatred of Muslims and Palestinians.
Hold both sides to the law and respect human rights.

End the genocide.
Free Palestine.
Stop the violence on both sides.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000759041862094958

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000677243731771691

 

[richaceg]

Every accusation is a confession, rich.
Your hate is trying to justify escalation in the genocide.

You need to find a way to deescalate and end your genocidal hatred of Muslims and Palestinians.
Hold both sides to the law and respect human rights.

End the genocide.
Free Palestine.
Stop the violence on both sides.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000759041862094958

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000677243731771691

There is no hate...like I said...Palestinians are better off without Hamas. They aren't fighting for Palestinian's freedom. they are executing them. They are clinging to power not holding any election since they took power....

 

[Frankfooter]

There is no hate...like I said...Palestinians are better off without Hamas. They aren't fighting for Palestinian's freedom. they are executing them. They are clinging to power not holding any election since they took power....

Anyone who backs genocide is filled with as much racist hate as any nazi, rich.
There is no justification or rationalization for genocide.
Just hate.

The violence on both sides needs to end.

 

[richaceg]

Anyone who backs genocide is filled with as much racist hate as any nazi, rich.
There is no justification or rationalization for genocide.
Just hate.

The violence on both sides needs to end.

No hate...simply common sense...you come knocking on someone's door...eventually someone will answer... Hamas wanted war...they got one...they also kept civilians from evacuating...

 

[Frankfooter]

No hate...simply common sense...you come knocking on someone's door...eventually someone will answer... Hamas wanted war...they got one...they also kept civilians from evacuating...

I'm sure nazis thought they were also operating on common sense.
There is no justification for backing genocide.

More so when you know you are morally and legally in the wrong.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968336646077628489

 

[richaceg]

I'm sure nazis thought they were also operating on common sense.
There is no justification for backing genocide.

More so when you know you are morally and legally in the wrong.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968336646077628489

And like Nazis Hamas wants jews gone....unfortunately for them Jews are resilient...they've been driven out of Egypt, rounded up in Germany and attacked in their homeland Israel... good peoples palestinians too...just those Hamas thugs are the problem...

 

[Frankfooter]

And like Nazis Hamas wants jews gone....unfortunately for them Jews are resilient...they've been driven out of Egypt, rounded up in Germany and attacked in their homeland Israel... good peoples palestinians too...just those Hamas thugs are the problem...

Nothing you tell yourself justifies genocide.
Nothing justified the nazis or Pol Pot's genocide and nothing justifies the Israeli genocide on Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999300999299891692

 

[Valcazar]

CM also posted that Ahmed al Ahmed was Christian and something else ridiculous.
But I'd like to point out that you did exactly what you accused me of doing.
You posted 'shit' claiming that the IDF rumour was false three or four times without doing the research to confirm it as fact.
You did eventually check, but you didn't check before you made your own pronouncement.
Which puts you on the same level as everyone else here.

No.
I posted that you should focus on the fact it wasn't confirmed, which was what you yourself said to someone else when it was challenged.
I pointed out that it might be better to stick to that. (Instead of asserting it was true as you had been.)

You then admitted that you posted it because "This thread needed a counter story to the usual Islamaphobia that accompanies any story like this. So at the time, posting unconfirmed reports to counter other unconfirmed reports served to tone down some of the hate."

After which I didn't claim the IDF rumor was false, I asked you to show anywhere it was reported other than early twitter and that I don't agree with the logic above.
I then pointed out you admitted you were posting shit. (Since you admitted it was unconfirmed.)

I never once said it was false.
Then you insisted you had seen nothing either way, so I went and did 5 minutes of research and showed there doesn't appear to be any evidence supporting it.

So no, I did not claim "the IDF rumour was false three or four times without doing the research to confirm it as fact".
You're just making that up.

 

[richaceg]

Nothing you tell yourself justifies genocide.
Nothing justified the nazis or Pol Pot's genocide and nothing justifies the Israeli genocide on Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999300999299891692

Nobody supports genocide. I don't even support the war...i can accept war happens... terrorism also happens...i also know people support terrorism...you are a living proof...

 

[Frankfooter]

No.
I posted that you should focus on the fact it wasn't confirmed, which was you yourself said to someone else when it was challenged.
I pointed out that it might be better to stick to that. (Instead of asserting it was true as you had been.)

You then admitted that you posted it because "This thread needed a counter story to the usual Islamaphobia that accompanies any story like this. So at the time, posting unconfirmed reports to counter other unconfirmed reports served to tone down some of the hate."

After which I didn't claim the IDF rumor was false, I asked you to show anywhere it was reported other than early twitter and that I don't agree with the logic above.
I then pointed out you admitted you were posting shit. (Since you admitted it was unconfirmed.)

I never once said it was false.
Then you insisted you had seen nothing either way, so I went and did 5 minutes of research and showed there doesn't appear to be any evidence supporting it.

So no, I did not claim "the IDF rumour was false three or four times without doing the research to confirm it as fact".
You're just making that up.

Except for this.

At least you admit that you're just posting shit.
No.
I mean by deliberately posting shit.
I never said it was.
That's not what you're doing, though.
You're posting shit, as you freely admit.

I said it was unconfirmed, as you noted.
You said it was shit.

The latest news reports suggest that the two killers went to the Philipines for training.
trump and some other media are now claiming that they were ISIS, including having homemade ISIS flags.

This is a touch problematic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000817502734180629

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922572867201311086

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874629345630908434

 

[Frankfooter]

Nobody supports genocide. I don't even support the war...i can accept war happens... terrorism also happens...i also know people support terrorism...you are a living proof...

I'm calling for both sides to be held to the law, international law respected and full human rights.
That's pretty much the opposite of the terrorism and genocide you back here.

Nothing can ever justify genocide.

 

[richaceg]

I'm calling for both sides to be held to the law, international law respected and full human rights.
That's pretty much the opposite of the terrorism and genocide you back here.

Nothing can ever justify genocide.

Hamas does...they want to kill Jews...

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas does...they want to kill Jews...

You are justifying genocide.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The question is whether zionists, who are guilty of the same crime of genocide as nazis, should be treated the same as nazis.
Legally, morally and socially, of course.

I agree it is genocide.
But the genocide is by the Israeli state, and yes the ones doing this are the hardcore, hawkish, lunatic Zionists like Netanyahu, Itamar Ben Gvir, Smotrich etc who are despicable.
But using the word "Zionist" to generalize any and all Israel supporters as being despicable or genocidal is not reasonable.
It is perfectly okay for someone to be nationalistic about Israel as it is perfectly okay for someone to be nationalistic about Palestine.
There are good Zionists, good Palestinian supporters and bad Zionists and bad Palestinian supporters and we need to make that distinction.

 

[Frankfooter]

I agree it is genocide.
But the genocide is by the Israeli state, and yes the ones doing this are the hardcore, hawkish, lunatic Zionists like Netanyahu, Itamar Ben Gvir, Smotrich etc who are despicable.
But using the word "Zionist" to generalize any and all Israel supporters as being despicable or genocidal is not reasonable.
It is perfectly okay for someone to be nationalistic about Israel as it is perfectly okay for someone to be nationalistic about Palestine.
There are good Zionists, good Palestinian supporters and bad Zionists and bad Palestinian supporters and we need to make that distinction.

The wiki definition of zionism:
Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]

Zionism is a 19th century, racial supremacist and colonial movement that has lead to 'wiping Palestine off the maps' and the current genocide.
In this context, what does a good zionist look like?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2000445849340690450

 

[Valcazar]

I said it was unconfirmed, as you noted.
You said it was shit.

You admitted it was something unconfirmed and you were just pushing it to balance the scales.
That's posting shit.
I stand by my comment, which wasn't about whether it was true or false, it was about you admitting you didn't care.

The latest news reports suggest that the two killers went to the Philipines for training.
trump and some other media are now claiming that they were ISIS, including having homemade ISIS flags.

The "they are ISIS" thing is another rumour that popped up early but seems to have been borne out over time from what the Australian police are saying.

I am curious to see what comes of the Philippines lead.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The wiki definition of zionism:
Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]

Zionism is a 19th century, racial supremacist and colonial movement that has lead to 'wiping Palestine off the maps' and the current genocide.
In this context, what does a good zionist look like?

I think it is oversimplified and reductive to apply such a definition to a vast and diverse group of people.
Actual Jewish individuals supporting Israel are not all racial supremacists or supportive of colonialism.
Using your argument, one can argue that Palestinians calling for the "river to the sea" are also racial supremacists and colonialists, albeit unsuccessful in their efforts.
But that would again be reductive and oversimplified.

 

[The Oracle]

Yeah, my 78 year old aunt had her mezuzuh ripped off her condo entrance two weeks ago but that must be about Israel so its OK.

This is becoming a significant problem here in Canada...As this thread progresses many of the proponents of antisemitism can't but fully reveal themselves...They are who they are.