How do you know he's not taking it because of his "misguided principals" ?? It's very possible he got a recommendation from his doctor not to take it due to his heart condition
or may be due to possible complications post-op.
Anti vaxxer off the heart transplant list
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or may be due to possible complications post-op.
If he doesn’t get vaccinated, he will not receive a transplant.
His heart condition is going to kill him without a transplant.
Ergo, without transplant, he dies.
What possible ramifications would a doctor warn him about that are worse than death?
Also, his father says he’s unvaccinated because he doesn’t believe in it.
why a vaccination status has to have any role in making a decision on getting a transplant ?
because post transplant they are incredibly vulnerable, their immune system is terribly weak, even a cold could kill them. It’s not about vaccination status, it’s about being fully protected. By refusing to be fully protected, the risk increases dramatically. They can’t afford to give away vital organs haphazardly to be wasted on those who aren’t committed to protecting their health.
These idiots act like they know everything. They have no understanding that a vaccine prior to surgery in never needed and could cause complications during and after surgery. It can also be a concern with mixing of medication when you factor in that organ transplant patients are on meds for maybe the rest of their lives because the meds help their body to adapt to the new organ. The vaccine would most likely be an issue for him.
Sounds like you did your own research.
You call people idiots and then post one of the most ignorant and uninformed posts that I've read in quite some time. Not one accurate point.
May be technically it is truth and correct, I am not a doctor. But ethically it is wrong. Doctors suppose to treat everyone, including criminals and even enemy combatants. So, to deny a service for someone who refused to take a vaccine is quite an overreach, to say the least.
In terms of what he needs. But without a vax, he moves down the priority list for the reasons mentioned above.
if There were an abundance of available organs for whomever wants them I would agree, but there isn’t so they are 100% right to set strict criteria and guidelines for the lucky candidates to get this precious gift.
If he or any other transplant candidate don’t fit the criteria then they don’t deserve it, I don’t care if it’s a vaccine issue, an alcoholic needing a new liver, an obese man needing a new heart or a suicidal person needing an organ. These are the rules, each will have their own tale of woe for why they should be exempt but exemptions cannot be made for such a scarce commodity.
I found this - for kedney transplants. I don't think mRNA vaccines are "inactivated vaccines"
In general, in immunocompromised patients, live vaccines can cause vaccine-related disease, therefore patients with organ transplant should not receive live vaccines.
Kidney Disease: Improving Global Outcomes (KDIGO) and American Society of Transplantation- Infectious Disease Community of Practice (AST-IDCOP) guidelines suggest
that all transplant recipients should receive age appropriate 'inactivated vaccine' as recommended for general population
And also this:
Efficacy and safety of COVID-19 vaccine has been scientifically documented only for few vaccines and many are still under clinical trial. Initial trial of COVID-19 vaccine had i
included healthy volunteers, and patients with comorbidity but trials on transplant recipients have not been done
And you don’t think the doctors who specialize in transplants haven’t considered all aspects?
There are no studies done yet on C-19 mRNA vaccines and transplant recipients. General
recommendation as per above to use the types of vaccines which are mRNA ones are not.
So, what the verdict ? Ignore it ?
Sure, ignore the vaccine.
Just don't whine about the repercussions.
you are the one who's whining, I recovered from Covid within a week and I am not on the transplant list
and I don't have experimental chemical in my system .....so call me after your fourth/fifth booster if you
can, I will always listen to you
you screenshot not related to transplant recipients, anything else ?
Whining?
I'm not the one complaining about how unfair the world is to those who won't get the jab.
I’m not a surgeon nor a doctor of any kind, so I can’t answer every question about this, but those who do this for a living can. And they have determined that vaccination for Covid needs to be a prerequisite for transplant.
I will accept their determination as experts in the field which frankly is what everyone should be doing rather than seeking confirmation bias on social media. That doesn’t make one a sheep, it’s prudent to allow those who know to do their thing without overly interfering.
I bet that every single aspect of any surgery has some “yea but” element to it, if they factor in every potential problem to what is accepted as the greater need it would become paralysis by analysis and no surgeries would ever be performed.
I’m guessing your questions wouldn’t come as a surprise to the surgeons and experts who created this mandate as some “holy shit, how did we miss this?” moment.
