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Apple iPad plant conditions better than the norm: agency

By Terril Yue Jones

BEIJING | Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:20pm EST

(Reuters) - Working conditions at Chinese manufacturing plants where Apple Inc's iPads and iPhones are made are far better than those at garment factories or other facilities elsewhere in the country, according to the head of a non-profit agency investigating the plants.

The Fair Labor Association (FLA) is beginning a study of the working conditions of Apple's top eight suppliers in China, following reports of worker suicides, a plant explosion and slave-like conditions at one of those suppliers, Foxconn Technology Group.

Auret van Heerden, president of the FLA offered no immediate conclusions on the working conditions, but he noted that boredom and alienation could have contributed to the stress that led some workers to take their own lives.

In addition to Foxconn, FLA investigators will later visit facilities of Quanta Computer Inc, Pegatron Corp, Wintek Corp and other suppliers, who are notoriously tight-lipped about their operations.

After his first visits to Foxconn, van Heerden said, "The facilities are first-class; the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm."

He spent the past several days visiting Foxconn plants to prepare for the study.

"I was very surprised when I walked onto the floor at Foxconn, how tranquil it is compared with a garment factory," he said. "So the problems are not the intensity and burnout and pressure-cooker environment you have in a garment factory. . It's more a function of monotony, of boredom, of alienation perhaps."

He noted that the organization has been dealing with suicides in Chinese factories since the 1990s.

"You have lot of young people, coming from rural areas, away from families for the first time," he said. "They're taken from a rural into an industrial lifestyle, often quite an intense one, and that's quite a shock to these young workers.

"And we find that they often need some kind of emotional support, and they can't get it," he added. Factories initially didn't realize those workers needed emotional support."

Van Heerden dismissed the notion that his organization might paint a cursory and positive picture of Apple's suppliers.

Companies that join the FLA abide by rigorous commitments, and their interests are balanced by non-governmental organizations and more than 200 universities that sit on the board of the organization with the corporations, he said.

FLA evolved from a group originally convened by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1996 with the goal of reducing sweatshop labor around the world. Its board includes executives from sneaker companies Nike and Adidas.

"Apple didn't need to join the FLA," he said. "The FLA system is very tough. It involves unannounced visits, complete access, public reporting.

"If Apple wanted to take the easy way out there were a whole host of options available to them," he added. "The fact that they joined the FLA shows they were really serious about raising their game."

RESPONSES ENTERED ON IPADS

Some 30 FLA staff members are visiting two Foxconn factories in Shenzhen in southern China and one in the central city of Chengdu. Each plant has about 100,000 workers, although not all work on Apple products.

Over three weeks, some 35,000 workers will be interviewed about 30 at a time to answer questions anonymously, entering their responses onto Apple iPads.

Questions will include:

* how the workers were hired

* if they were paid a fee

* if they were offered and signed contracts and whether they understood them

* the condition of their dorm rooms and food

* if complaints are acted upon

* their emotional well being

The data will be uploaded immediately and consolidated, and an interim report will be made public in early March.

The eventual FLA report will identify areas the suppliers need to improve and offer suggestions, van Heerden said.

"There might not be a clear policy on hiring, that could lead unwittingly to discrimination against hepatitis B sufferers," he said as an example.

"There might not be adequate documentation that could lead to the risk that workers get hired with fake documentation, that underage workers come in . We can recommend very specific actions they can take."
 

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concerned?*

You forgot to bold this part...

Auret van Heerden, president of the FLA offered no immediate conclusions on the working conditions, but he noted that boredom and alienation could have contributed to the stress that led some workers to take their own lives.



Work conditions may be immaculate and their chairs may be made of the finest feathers or leather and diamond encrusted clocks on the wall, BUT, the type of work and hours are more likely than not the culprit.
12 hour shifts, doing the exact same shit over and over and over and....over..........and................

With how many breaks? If they get any...

But again, you want to tout apple's numbers and how wonderfully they're doing building devices that are essentially low end POS' with a high premium price tag, they're gonna be put under scrutiny.
 

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WTF!!!
That's some warped Apple 'values' you exhibit....FFS!....


When folks show serious moral concern for workers being abused in Commie Apple Plants YOU brand them as 'haters'???

Makes you look like one sick lap-puppy bottie....
 

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concerned?*

You forgot to bold this part...

Auret van Heerden, president of the FLA offered no immediate conclusions on the working conditions, but he noted that boredom and alienation could have contributed to the stress that led some workers to take their own lives.



Work conditions may be immaculate and their chairs may be made of the finest feathers or leather and diamond encrusted clocks on the wall, BUT, the type of work and hours are more likely than not the culprit.
12 hour shifts, doing the exact same shit over and over and over and....over..........and................

With how many breaks? If they get any...

But again, you want to tout apple's numbers and how wonderfully they're doing building devices that are essentially low end POS' with a high premium price tag, they're gonna be put under scrutiny.
It's a wonder people want these jobs back in North America.....

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It's a wonder why corporations won't bring them (jobs) back to the U.S.
They'd have to pay them decent wages, pension, some kind of health care I would assume.
So instead, ship the jobs overseas to where none of this shit is a priority, only getting a job is because the population is so big and jobs are so sparse.
Now they're forced to take whatever they can at whatever price they have to pay, in this case, their mental health.

Corporate America FTW. Fuck helping your own.
But you're on corporate America's side, what do you care?
As long as people die to make your beloved product, you give a flying a fuck.
Cons'ervatives and their Christian values, never cease to amaze me.
 

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People here think they deserve $30 an hour to press a button repetitively and no accountability or pressure on them, never have to stay late so they can buy a house in the burbs...
 

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Is that all they do? Just press a button repetitively?
You make it sound like it's nothing.

I guess the fact that people are killing themselves just to push a button for 12 hours is a bit wimpy on their part...........in your eyes anyways.
 

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Is that all they do? Just press a button repetitively?
You make it sound like it's nothing.

I guess the fact that people are killing themselves just to push a button for 12 hours is a bit wimpy on their part...........in your eyes anyways.
My comment was about the demands of the North American pay expectations for basic skill labour, not what they are doing at Foxconn.
The suicide rate at the Foxconn plants is well below the suicide rate for the overall Republic of China (over 20 people per 100,000 a year)... It's a poor country with a poor standard of living. is Foxconn responsible, Apple (whom accounts for less than half of Foxconn's business), or the reality of China? In some developed countries, suicide is a more common part of life, could be for many reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
 

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The suicides are a red herring(sad as they are) the suicide rate is lower than the national average......whats really at issue are the working conditions which Apples very own report showed very poor compliance from the majority of factories yet even with Apples own mandate of comply or lose our business,nothing changed. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-on-the-iPad&p=3860331&viewfull=1#post3860331

don`t forget about 3 factory explosions(over 15 months) that occurred at iPad assembly plants due to negligence Two Dead In iPad Factory Explosion
iPad factory explosion explained


and then a few months later with the same cause.... Apple iPad Factory Explosion Leaves 61 Injured, Some Workers Hospitalized
Aluminum dust contributed to explosion at iPad factory, China Labor Watch says

New York Times Report: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/b...osts-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=all
they must be liars!

CNN Report: http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/world/asia/china-apple-foxconn-worker/index.html
they must be liars!


Apple is in full spin mode...so they must be telling the truth!




OTB makes me sick with his Apple arrogance and sheep like mentality......oh wait.....he`s never fucking wrong....how could i forget! baaaaa baaaaaa



Compliance by the Numbers
all you need to see is Apples own compliance report and to wait for an OFFICIAL report from the FLA
 

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OTB makes me sick with his Apple arrogance and sheep like mentality......oh wait.....he's never fucking wrong....how could i forget! baaaaa baaaaaa
You're the exact same as OTB except sucking Google's teets all the time, so pot meet kettle..
 

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The suicides are a red herring(sad as they are) the suicide rate is lower than the national average......whats really at issue are the working conditions which Apples very own report showed very poor compliance from the majority of factories yet even with Apples own mandate of comply or lose our business,nothing changed. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-on-the-iPad&p=3860331&viewfull=1#post3860331

don`t forget about 3 factory explosions(over 15 months) that occurred at iPad assembly plants due to negligence Two Dead In iPad Factory Explosion
iPad factory explosion explained


and then a few months later with the same cause.... Apple iPad Factory Explosion Leaves 61 Injured, Some Workers Hospitalized
Aluminum dust contributed to explosion at iPad factory, China Labor Watch says

New York Times Report: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/b...osts-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=all
they must be liars!

CNN Report: http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/world/asia/china-apple-foxconn-worker/index.html
they must be liars!


Apple is in full spin mode...so they must be telling the truth!




OTB makes me sick with his Apple arrogance and sheep like mentality......oh wait.....he`s never fucking wrong....how could i forget! baaaaa baaaaaa
And again, it`s not Apple`s manufacturer anymore than it`s Asus`, Acer`s, Sony`s, Samsung`s and so on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers

Funny how you continue to spin it as an Apple exclusive problem despite Foxconn`s facility in Shenzhen also does work for HP, Dell and others.
 

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People here think they deserve $30 an hour to press a button repetitively and no accountability or pressure on them, never have to stay late so they can buy a house in the burbs...
No one providing constructive criticism says Apple has to pay the Foxconn workers an unrealistic wage. China's behaviour towards labour brings parallels to America in the early 1900's. Certain things need to change with regards to worker safety, protections against forced overtime, child labour and health care reform.

I recommend you read The Jungle by Uptown Sinclair. You're in due for a history lesson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
 

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You're the exact same as OTB except sucking Google's teets all the time, so pot meet kettle..
LMFAO!! yep you got me pegged........except you forget that I loved my iPhone 4 untill it became irrelevant and old and I got something much better(Samsung Galaxy S2) I really like Winphone7 and would love to check out a Nokia Lumina 900, i'm a big Asus fan(always trusted and relied upon their motherboards) and love the Transformer Prime....I really like Windows 7 AND Ubuntu Linux, I build my own pc's and love tech in general and I'm looking forward to seeing the iPhone 5.

having said that, Apple have a way of pissing me off with their greed and arrogance,which i believe is what impresses OTB the most.

bottom line I love technology.....even the cool toys Apple make ;)

I have nothing derogatory to say about you Powershot as you usually make balanced arguments and often make a decent contribution to the tech forum unlike a certain one opinion,one truth guy on this board who contributes squat!
 

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And again, it's not Apple's manufacturer anymore than it's Asus', Acer's, Sony's, Samsung's and so on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers

Funny how you continue to spin it as an Apple exclusive problem despite Foxconn's facility in Shenzhen also does work for HP, Dell and others.

yes i'm sorry.....the explosions occurred while they were polishing the Asus, Acer, Sony, Samsung and so on iPads. my mistake
maybe if you read the articles you would see that.

Apples own compliance report was also talking about Asus,Acer,Sony,Samsung and so on right? my bad :rolleyes:


I have never denied other manufacturers use those plants....but those articles are Apple specific....which part don't you understand?

can you find some articles specific to other manufacturers explosions or other problems?
 

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can you find some articles specific to other manufacturers explosions or other problems?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...uture-evoked-by-terry-gou-s-china-empire.html

On a crushingly hot mid-August day at Foxconn Technology Group’s Longhua factory campus in Shenzhen -- where a dutiful army of 300,000 employees eats, sleeps, and churns out iPhones, Sony Corp. PlayStations, and Dell Inc. computers -- workers indulged in a rare moment of celebration.
Can you provide articles that explicitly documented state that those workers that committed suicide exclusively worked on Apple products? Not some article that labels Foxconn as "Apple's vendor" for link bait or spank material for you.

The only case I know of is someone who lost an iPhone prototype in China. What about the others?
 

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A better question would be -- "where's the other guys compliance reports"?
The way I see it is Apple is being picked on because they are so fucking rich and squeeze the profits out of suppliers and manufacturers like there is no tomorrow as well as placing huge production expectations with each new product that forces foxconn and others to force labour their staff.

if any company could spearhead change in China,Apple should and could step into that role and make things happen, other companies could be forced to follow along.
it may be idealistic thinking,but change has to begin somewhere.

Nike and the Gap were forced to change their ways in the past by the FLA and are now contributing members
 

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