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Are Mac's too expensive?

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masterchief said:
Actually for a while they were, as part of a marketing idea to use HP's brand to help sell 2nd gen Ipods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod%2BHP
The article says that the iPods were manufactured by Apple and Marketed by HP because it could sell it in areas where Apple at the time wasn't.

I am a big Apple fan and once had a PC but hated it. Everything I need is already included in the Mac and more. The only drawback about the Apple is that not enough software companies support it.

I found that the PC had more problems from the start and required me to buy extra stuff to make it work right. As for Apples service. I just bring it to my local Apple Authorized Service centre and I get it fixed in a few days.


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Thank you very much on your comment. It reminds me again that the sources must be always checked before making a statement. Apparently, I should take TERB much more seriously.

So, I heard it from an IT guy.
I don't like saying "you're wrong", its just not nice. The IT guy might have been a PC IT guy. Goes to show you that good info dies fast and bad info lives forever. This is coming from an IT guy.

Another interesting note: ...coming from a 25 year IT background with multiple degrees in IS and Comp Sci, I still seem to know way less than the average PC sales clerk. And when it comes to giving advice to friends and neighbors the guy at futureshop wins. So.. don't give advise to friends and especially family.

$family != $credibility;
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Guys, made the switch at home a couple of years ago, got tired of my PC getting slower and slower and spending hours each month on maintenance.

Macs just work better, forget the processor speeds and other specs that mean squat when you actually try to use the machines.
 

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moresex4me said:
Guys, made the switch at home a couple of years ago, got tired of my PC getting slower and slower and spending hours each month on maintenance.

Macs just work better, forget the processor speeds and other specs that mean squat when you actually try to use the machines.
Linux does all that and more and doesn't cost a penny.
My PC runs great since switching to Linux.
All that M$ maintenance, defragging, AV scans, etc, are history. You just turn on the PC and run it, like a PC was meant to be....:cool:
 

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Very true, and if you love Linux so much, you can it on your Mac using virtualization software, side by side with Mac OSX. :D Or if you want to run another OS, such as Windows XP, 2000, or Vista, you can do that as well. A Mac is the one computer that will allow you to run whatever OS you want to, side by side, and when you're done, you can go back to the comfy confines of Mac OSX!
 

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Goomer said:
5% used to be the Mac market share. Well guess what, it's closer to 10% now! That's right, the Windows grip on the PC market is slowly loosening, as more and more people search for alternatives, in both Macs and in Linux.
Guess what the share is in China? 0.25%. Yes that is a quarter of one percent. And holding steady. Why? Because macs are overpriced. The Chinese can make a knockoff PC for its domestic market for far cheaper. And the Chinese prefer systems which are more open for tweaking. And of course they value performance per dollar ratio.

Macs are gaining popularity in much of the developed world. But not in the developing world like China and India. And guess which markets are the "next big thing"? There is a reason why everyone is trying to score in the Chinese market. And Macs aren't gonna make it.
 

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Macs are gaining popularity in much of the developed world. But not in the developing world like China and India. And guess which markets are the "next big thing"? There is a reason why everyone is trying to score in the Chinese market. And Macs aren't gonna make it.
The Chinese Government loves PCs!
PCs makes it easier for them to spy on their citizens.
 

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5hummer said:
The Chinese Government loves PCs!
PCs makes it easier for them to spy on their citizens.
Only when running M$.
Run Linux, problem solved....;)

3 years ago I flirted with the idea of getting a Mac.
Was very happy with XP Pro, still am but Vista just came out and was getting soundly trashed by one and all. A Mac fanboy buddy at work tried talking me into going Apple, blah blah blah ....just like we hear here. Another work buddy said, before you go and spend all that money on a Mac, give a Linux Live CD a try, it's all free. Then if you don't like Linux, go buy a Mac. Well I took his advice and it was the best computer advice I ever got. Linux does all M$ & Mac does and more and didn't cost me a penny.
 

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Compromised said:
What do you use for productivity apps. How about games?
I'm no hardcore gamer, Chess and the basic linux games suit me fine the little I use them. There are plenty of basic free linux games in the repos.

Open Office.org, suits me fine for productivity apps.

For my purposes, surfing, music, movies, Open Office, Linux does all I need.
 

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Linux does all M$ & Mac does and more and didn't cost me a penny.
You can't say that Linux does everything a Mac can do, because Linux can't run Mac OSX, whereas Mac OSX can run Linux. Linux can't run the iLife suite of apps, which is one of the reasons worth getting a Mac. And Linux is not going to give you the same engineering and design advantages that a Mac does, such as the elegant designs of the Macbook Pro (7 hours battery life, unibody design, backlit keyboard), iMac (everything built into a slimline LCD screen....a true powerful desktop), or the MacMini (a computer the size of 5 CD cases....extremely small and elegant). You are not giving any credit or worth to design of the hardware, saying that an ugly box that sits on the floor is worth every ounce of a Mac's beauty, elegance, engineering and design.

The bottom line is that if you're completely happy with Linux, then hat's off to you! But to say that simply getting Linux is as good as getting a Mac is not a correct comparison. A Linux cannot run every operating system out there, cannot run MS Office natively, and does not give you the beautiful elegant engineered designs of a Mac. We value beauty in our home electronics, since we choose elegant designs in our Plasma screens, flat screen monitors, and in our home theatre systems, yet most are satisfied with a home computer, a device that some of use more than any other piece of home electronics, to be a boring ugly beige white box, or maybe a big black box with pretty flashing lights!

This particular thread is not about whether Linux is as good as Mac OSX. This thread is simply about whether Macs are too expensive, and I think good arguments have been made that indicate that yes, Macs are more expensive, but you get more with them, making them value for your investment.

If Linux is all you need, and you're very happy with it, then I respect your opinions. Just understand that we're talking about more than just an operating system, and simply comparing OS's is not enough of an argument.
 

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Goomer said:
You can't say that Linux does everything a Mac can do, because Linux can't run Mac OSX, whereas Mac OSX can run Linux. Linux can't run the iLife suite of apps, which is one of the reasons worth getting a Mac. And Linux is not going to give you the same engineering and design advantages that a Mac does, such as the elegant designs of the Macbook Pro (7 hours battery life, unibody design, backlit keyboard), iMac (everything built into a slimline LCD screen....a true powerful desktop), or the MacMini (a computer the size of 5 CD cases....extremely small and elegant). You are not giving any credit or worth to design of the hardware, saying that an ugly box that sits on the floor is worth every ounce of a Mac's beauty, elegance, engineering and design.

The bottom line is that if you're completely happy with Linux, then hat's off to you! But to say that simply getting Linux is as good as getting a Mac is not a correct comparison. A Linux cannot run every operating system out there, cannot run MS Office natively, and does not give you the beautiful elegant engineered designs of a Mac. We value beauty in our home electronics, since we choose elegant designs in our Plasma screens, flat screen monitors, and in our home theatre systems, yet most are satisfied with a home computer, a device that some of use more than any other piece of home electronics, to be a boring ugly beige white box, or maybe a big black box with pretty flashing lights!

This particular thread is not about whether Linux is as good as Mac OSX. This thread is simply about whether Macs are too expensive, and I think good arguments have been made that indicate that yes, Macs are more expensive, but you get more with them, making them value for your investment.

If Linux is all you need, and you're very happy with it, then I respect your opinions. Just understand that we're talking about more than just an operating system, and simply comparing OS's is not enough of an argument.
A PC running Linux to a Mac is like a souped-up Mustang to a Ferrari/Lamborghini/Porsche/[insert high-end sports car here]

A PC running windows (any version) is more like a car crash with a Smart car
 

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WoodPeckr said:
LOL!
I choose linux for that better experience and pay nothing.

Funny thing, if Mac is so great why is market share only ~5%?

PCs rule and always will.
PCs are just as reliable and cheap. My 12 yr old Pent 2, PC still hums along fine with no problems. Never had any of those problems with PCs that are always brought up. Believe most problems occur to people who don't know what they are doing. Have used all 3 systems, M$, Mac and now prefer the utter simplicity of Linux that does ALL the Mac does, and more and doesn't cost a penny....:cool:
What's the linux market share?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9121938

Less than 1% for free.....

Nothing wrong with PC hardware, it's the OS that sucks.

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Goomer said:
If Linux is all you need, and you're very happy with it, then I respect your opinions. Just understand that we're talking about more than just an operating system, and simply comparing OS's is not enough of an argument.
Best statement I've read on a Mac vs PC vs Linux debate. It's always about applications, always always always. We buy computer to do things not watch an idle O/S run. And if the O/S doesn't run the app we want, then there's no point in using it no matter how wonderful it is.
 

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onthebottom said:
What's the linux market share?
Less than 1% for free.....
Nothing wrong with PC hardware, it's the OS that sucks.
LOL!!!
How pray tell can a 'free' OS be judged in a paying market ????
Linux isn't about making money, except for a couple distros you have to pay for. There are over 100 linux distros and only a couple you pay for, so of course this maket share is very small.

You claim to have gone to business school, no?
Linux is MEANT to be FREE, not sold!
How could you miss this point?.....:D


Oh and the OS does not suck.
Actually it's considered even more stable than a Mac and comes now with several thousand FREE apps and programs in the repos.....a few more than Mac, NO?......

You have much to learn yet, young grasshopper......
 
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