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Are safe GFE providers really safe?

bobistheowl

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Well people have a tendency to believe everyone else is like them, and will behave in the same way. And seeing others do so reinforces the belief. Sadly it is not true.

Aside from people suffering from Anti-social Personality Disorder, Malignant Narcissism, Narcissism, Emotionally Desensitized etc there is emerging a somewhat more specific issue with deliberately infecting others.

There is a lot of denial involved for some individuals. They just refuse to accept they are infected or they refuse to accept it is serious, etc. Other individuals just do not care.

Perhaps the most worrisome are people who deliberately seek to infect others. There are documented cases where the partner thought they were having safe sex but the infected person sabotaged it (slipping off the condom?). It appears they believe:

a) If enough other people have it I will not be alone and I will not be as bad.
b) I will be remembered for ever by my victim and I will have power over them
c) I was infected by one of “these people”, I will punish them for doing it to me.

Please recognize that "these people" can be any identifiable group, gay men, blacks, SPs, or even blonds etc.
How many do this? Well enough to make it a lecture topic, but I do not know of any studies that quantify the numbers involved.

If you do a Google search you can find countless court cases representing the small minority that get caught.
Plus there are the bugchasers and giftgivers in the gay community...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_chasers
 

HEYHEY

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Is it safe to see an female escort who only does safe sex. I mean all covered including oral (like dental dams, light kiss, condoms). I feel so because of following reasons:
1. Since she offers only safe sex, only those people who want to be safe approach that kind of escort. Those people who dont have any existing STD's and would dont like to catch them either. If one has some STD's it would make no difference to him if he involves in unsafe sex practices right?.

2. Apart from this who ever sees such female escort, he would use all kinds of protection during the whole activity and adding to that is the female escort practicing safe sex always. So Dont you think this would make the STD risk negligible?

Though I understand nothing is 100% safe, but how often in these kind of situations does someone gets infected?
yup its 100% safe

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bobistheowl

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I find that as a purely safeGFE I get guys trying to book me because they think BBFS would be safer. They all say the same things... "I am a super clean freak and love that you offer strictly safe services... I was a virgin when I met my wife and have only ever been with her my whole life and have never used a condom before. Are you open to bbfs?"
About 10% of civilians would take him at his word, half of which would be other men.
 

Questor

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I am not certain why you insist on seeing only the bright side of every issue and ignoring the down side. I also do not understand why you do not think other SPS may want to see the potential risks. Sky diving is an incredible rush, but it is important to know the risks and to be able to minimize them. I think it is kind of foolish not to know about the safety chute.

Was there a lesson? Well people can draw their own conclusions, but I guess the issue with the guys who slip off condoms becomes more serious if you know that some people infect others on purpose. But I guess that involves looking at the entire range of potential risks.
Too late dear. She has you on ignore. Better go give simon a poke. I think he misses you.
 

mrsCALoki

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It's called responding to 2 different people at the same time.
Much quicker.
Not everybody cares about post counts.

But the other quote was not responded to and was not about me. I just do not get why it was added since she did not respond to it at all.
 

mrsCALoki

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I wonder why she included that second quote from GameBoy27? I thought he was referring to Simon. Oh well, maybe she thinks Simon and I are the same person? Must be some logic there. :) . figure she is repeating that train silliness just so I read it, hoping it will upset me, but why the quote about Simon?

Oh she fixed her post, now it makes more sense.
:)
 

mrsCALoki

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first time i got at him i beat him 3 for 3. no point in anything further.
Actually..... I just stop arguing because you might have seen the same quality of picture, not with any currently available civilian equipment in Canada but possibly you did see the same quality. So I decided to NOT tell you.... prove it... show us the Molsen bought military grade equipment for your beer truck :).

But why bother? Maybe they did, and maybe your observation skills are so good you can remember back to a video image a few years ago and compare it accurately to one this year. No proof you can, or even had that equipment, but it is possible.

None the less I still envy the resolution on the military equipment, and it is great compared to the best civilian equipment available legally in Canada in now. :)

You did not win with respect to the quality of 9Hz vs 30Hz nor in respect to the simple fact that murder rates and firearms death rates in Canada vs US are far from identical etc.... well sorry but I just stopped trying to explain it to you. It was just too much like trying to explain probabilities to a junior high student. :)
 

explorerzip

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Some "virgins" still give blowhobs, no? Couldn't someone technically get HIV from blood in semen if they have a cut on their gums or tongue?
Very true Alona. The only 'true' virgin is one that's had no sexual contact at all not even kissing i.e. is celibate. So I guess that's basically a nun?!
 

ind4ever13

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one more important point about Safe GFE providers. Assuming the escort has some STD say Herpes (because, of all STD's, this is the one which can be easily transmitted and cannot be cured) and escort practices safety always just not to infect her clients. I have read that herpes outbreak happens 10-15% of the time in a year. So the chance of getting herpes is 15%. Condom use cuts the risk by 30% which brings down the total risk close to 11%. Since the escort cares about the clients health (due to which she practices only safe services), she would also be taking antiviral drugs which I have read, would reduce the viral shedding to as low as 2% a year. And I have read these antiviral drugs are not too expensive. would cost less than $50 a month. I have also read the viral shedding reduces considerably after 2 years or so (would be less then 10% of the time). So taking all this into account, seeing those escorts who offer only safe services would carry a very low risk of STD (or incurable STD) right?
Particularly independent escorts who are in premium zone compared to other indy's because they wont be seeing too many clients in a day compared to girls who work for agency where they have little control on who they see and how many they see in a day.
 

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A funny thing happens with price. I believe the safest escorts are the mid priced ones.

The cheapest are just scary, possibly injection drug users.

The highly priced ones are under pressure to give their clients whatever they ask for, a premium experience, and I believe some find it harder to say "no" to BBFS when pressured by a client paying a premium rate for multiple hours.

At the middle range in price escorts can decline services they don't offer and easily find another client. The "premium expectation" is not there as well.

Just my opinion.
 

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So in your opinion, the girls who charge 1000/h are likely to be doing bbfs with clients since they are offering services at a "premium"?
Not all, maybe not most, but more than at the $250/h price. I think there is high pressure to be a perfect date at that price, which makes it harder to say no.
 

explorerzip

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There is no relationship between the price a girl charges and how likely she is going to do risky things like bbfs. We all have a wide variety of beliefs and hangups about sex, which results in us viewing and taking risk differently. We all have different reasons for wanting to push limits too. There will always be a balancing act between health and safety and someone's need for income. It's just a matter of how willing someone is to risk their health for the extra income.
 
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