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Are we finally going to get a real DH for 2012?

Casa_Nova

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http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/191254-fielder-s-choice

Not going to get overly excited until things are signed sealed and delivered. That will be a nice boost to the offense and it is a great insurance if Lind has another bad year. Now we just need a decent bat to bat 5th or 6th to protect Bautista and Fielder.
 

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If the Blue Jays sign Prince Fielder, it won't be to be the D.H., but to play 1st base.
 

Perry Mason

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A Fielder/Lind DH/1st base combo would work great -- if Lind can develop consistency with his bat.

But it is not going to happen... for the BJ's, Fielder is the final piece not the first or second or third, which are a decent 2nd baseman, a closer and another starter.

Unless, of course, AA has 35 to 40 million additional budget this year and is ready to spend it all... which is not the way the BJ's do these things. I don't think AA is going to abandon his long term plan just to get Fielder.

I think AA will want to see at least one year of real contending before opening his wallet wide open... or, at least, a very strong April to June...

Perry
 

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Fielder is not a solution for this year only. You have to figure he will deliver value for five years. Who knows if they will be able to acquire that piece next year -- would that piece be interested in Torotno as a free agent.

Its not like raising yourself on the mediocrity level for a year hurts in baseball like it does in say basketball.
 

Casa_Nova

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Totally agree with maurice93.

The Jays have all the money in the world to spend from Rogers. They are only being conservative before because there weren't deals that made sense to the club. Guys like Fielder and Pujos don't come around too often. More importantly for guys of those calibre to want to come to Toronto. If we are on Fielder's shortlist and he wants to come here, why the heck not?

People are saying we shouldn't spend until we show we can compete. Umm, how are we going to compete if we don't improve the ball club when there are opportunities? Bringing in a tier 1 free agent not only makes the team more competitive, but will hopefully also bring in more fans to the ballpark. But hey, I'm not the GM, and AA seems to know what he's doing for the most part so I'll leave the decisions to him.
 

The Oracle

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At 5'11 and 275 lbs that body just isn't built for longevity I'm afraid.

He's got 3-4 years max before it starts to break down.

Signing him to a long term contract would be a disaster I believe.

And that is exactly why I don't think AA will do it.

This talk of him coming to the Jays is just his agent trying to manipulate the negotiations with other teams.
 

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I hope we dont get him, we need pitching, thats all we need. At least 1 good starter, 2 would be better, and a great closer. If we woulda won half the blown saves we had last year, we woulda made the playoffs. Why spend money on something we dont really need?
 

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Captain Fantastic

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Read the linked article. Overpaying for an 'elite' relief pitcher is not a terribly wise course of action.

http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/11/10/theres-no-need-to-spend-money-on-a-proven-closer/
The article doesn't really make that case. 8 of the 10 listed are specialists that have defined, non-closer roles.

I am absolutely convinced that closers have entirely different mentalities. Raw numbers do not tell the whole story. Further, a true closer (someone who gets the tough saves as well as the easy ones - and can forget a blown save the next day) normally has a domino effect on the rest of the bullpen and team.

I'm also not into over-valuing mediocre closers (Ryan Madsen this year) or giving any closer in or near his prime not named Mariano Rivera contracts longer than 3 years, but if one can get an elite closer, it helps set up the entire bullpen. Pitchers have defined roles and usually thrive in such a system.

At the end of the day, the Jays HAVE to do something to shore up their 'pen. It saps the confidence of the whole team every time the crapshoot that is the currrent Jays bullpen blows another save and it pisses off the starters to no end. Blowing 25 saves in 58 opportunities as the Jays 'pen did this year is unacceptable.

The average save percentage is about 80% - meaning the Jays left 13 wins on the table thanks to a lack of viable closer. (10 wins if you go with 75% save conversion.) With the margin for error so small in the uber-competitive AL East and with an extra playoff spots coming up, that is a huge difference.
 

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People are saying we shouldn't spend until we show we can compete. Umm, how are we going to compete if we don't improve the ball club when there are opportunities? Bringing in a tier 1 free agent not only makes the team more competitive, but will hopefully also bring in more fans to the ballpark. But hey, I'm not the GM, and AA seems to know what he's doing for the most part so I'll leave the decisions to him.
I could not agree with this more. Sign the guy, even though he is not my first choice, to almost whatever he wants. It will be worth it. It also show other potential FAs that the Jays are trying to win now. Now you have top FAs wanting to come here like in the early 90s.





At 5'11 and 275 lbs that body just isn't built for longevity I'm afraid.

He's got 3-4 years max before it starts to break down.

Signing him to a long term contract would be a disaster I believe.

And that is exactly why I don't think AA will do it.

This talk of him coming to the Jays is just his agent trying to manipulate the negotiations with other teams.
That is the drawback I am worried about, his long term durability, though I think he may have a year or to more then what Oracle is giving him.
 

The Oracle

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I hope he signs with the Blue Jays providing the the length of the contract is reasonable. Players like him are not available every year and if they believe they are a contender within 3 years SIGN HIM!
 

Safdar

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Imagine Bautista's numbers if teams can't pitch around him.
 

shack

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I love baseball. It's the best sport for speculating because of all the individual statistics. Far fewer intangibles than other sports.

I've said a closer should be the last piece of the puzzle but if they get Fielder it becomes more of a priority.
 
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