Asking College Students if They Know Why They are Protesting

[DesRicardo]

The guy @ 4:40 is right on point.
"We got a country that's so good here buddy that we got time to bitch and moan"

 

[Vinson]

Dummies don't know

Fortunately there are pro Palestinian rights people to help educate them.
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One dummy to the other

 

[JuanGoodman]

scary thing is that these young people can vote

 

[JohnLarue]

There is no reason for ALL students to know why exactly they are protesting. There are students who know why they are protesting and who organize these protests. There are others who join in to support their friends. There are still others who join in because "something is happening". However it is absolutely okay and expected for some students to not know why they are protesting.

Case in point, there are many pro-Israel supporters on this board, who know jack shit about the history of Israel and Palestine and simply keep repeating the same ignorant, and default racist and Islamophobic bullshit that support for Palestine is support for Islamic fundamentalism or criticism of Israel is antisemitism etc., Their motivations are not informed opinions, but rather pre-existing implicit biases, expressed as support for Israel or Jews in general.

Also remember a lot of these interviews are cherry picked and presented to push an agenda or narrative to make it look like the demands of the students are entirely unreasonable. I am sure you could interview knowledgeable students and present the exact opposite view and it would look like ALL the students protesting could run for the Presidency/Prime Ministership tomorrow.

Translation: its ok for uninformed (possibly paid) nitwitts to protest because they protesting in favour of Kautilya's position.

if they are students why are they not studying

my response to your next diatribe just might be " no comment''

 

[JuanGoodman]

Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.

unless of course if you are protesting the current government and are a truck driver

 

[JohnLarue]

Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.

A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?

numbers prevail over rational thought ?

if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
lets stipulate the question is completely independent of any specific issue , just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking

 

[JohnLarue]

You will always have both A and B regardless of what the cause is.

it was a binary question
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?

 

[Frankfooter]

my response to your next diatribe just might be " no comment''

I'll vote for that!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787586034915557576

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787540708087456061

 

[Frankfooter]

it was a binary question
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?

Both together, you need them all for change.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787579952994423168

 

[bazokajoe]

Those U of T pro Hamas people aren't very friendly. Very racist indeed.

WARMINGTON: Marshals wearing keffiyehs at U of T tell Jews they can't enter Little Gaza camp

There’s no spinning or downplaying it. Anti-Jewish segregation is happening on the campus of the University of Toronto.

torontosun.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Those U of T pro Hamas people aren't very friendly. Very racist indeed.

WARMINGTON: Marshals wearing keffiyehs at U of T tell Jews they can't enter Little Gaza camp

There’s no spinning or downplaying it. Anti-Jewish segregation is happening on the campus of the University of Toronto.

torontosun.com

You must be talking about these people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787208190070853725

 

[JohnLarue]

This isn't a binary question. You need both. This is a democracy.

it is a binary question
you chose one or the other
A or B

protests are not the defined by democracy, nor are they unique to democracy. The Gdansk shipyard protests & Tiananmen square proved that

besides even in a democracy one is expected to be truthful and be able to follow reasonable instructions and answer simple questions

the question was
A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?

since you refused to answer the question , we can only assume you are too chicken shit to pick B, and you must recognize there is no value in B

and if there is no value in an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?
then, there is no need

in fact the net contribution to society is negative, especially if money is exchanged for the disingenuous protesting service, creating non existent public support for a cause

you could have added all your blah, blah blab after choosing an answer A or B to the binary question and possibly even qualified your answer

However the real test was "just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking"

but you refused to directly answer a simple binary question with what should have been the obvious answer and thus failed the test.

you are not very bright

you will try to hand wave your failure away
too late

 

[whynot888]

When you go to a protest, you protest for a cause and your presence counts for exactly the same as someone else whether or not you know about why you are protesting,.

Baaa.....

 

[shack]

Yeah gay pride events are the most important when people are getting genocided. So your argument is that it is okay to mass murder people because they dont support gay rights?

So you're saying that gay pride events are irrelevant when the question is about gay pride events. Wow. Just wow.

 

[shack]

scary thing is that these young people can vote

Even scarier, some may become the leaders of the future.

 

[shack]

Yes gay pride events are irrelevant and completely off topic when the discussion is about protests against an ongoing genocide.

So you're saying that Oracle is not allowed to ask a question.

The Oracle said:
How many Gay Pride events do you think there are in any Islamic country?...But they are held in Israel...Hmmm.

Who bestowed you with this authority? It's a simple question. But you say it's irrelevant because the answer is ZERO and you are afraid to admit that because it is counter to your narrative. These idiot protestors are supporting oppressive regimes that would execute them for not wearing hijabs if they had the chance.

That's the point of this whole thread, pointing out how stupid these protestors, who you incorrectly claim represent a righteous cause, really are.

 

[shack]

Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.

Of course they can protest. But the point is that if they are uninformed, it means that their voices and opinions do not carry any weight because they are derived from ignorance.

 

[shack]

A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?

numbers prevail over rational thought ?

if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
lets stipulate the question is completely independent of any specific issue , just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking

I hardly ever agree with you but in this case you perfectly summed up how his point is devoid of logic and as such is irrelevant.

 

[shack]

Oracle can ask the question and can discuss it if he wishes to. I am however not discussing it

It's easier to run away and dismiss his point as irrelevant than to address it and show why his point is VERY relevant.

 

[shack]

These are flaws in a democratic system we have to accept and live with.

So then you should accept and live with the Americans supporting Israel, even if, in your opinion, the choice is flawed.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to admit your hypocrisy.