At party with hot girls who say "How do SPs get any business in contemporary Toronto"

Brill

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Very good post! :thumb:
Was it completely true or did you tweak it to sound better?

No matter, I think you should bring up the conversation again next time you see her, maybe she's thought about it and would like to prove her point.
 

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True story

So I am out in Toronto recently at a party with co-workers (girls from the admin assistant pool). A group of hot young things are throwing back drinks at it is 1am and we are talking...me, another guy my age (we're not from the admin pool, but that is where the hot young girls work) and 3 hot girls around 22 years old. Talking politics, etc. I'd had a few single malts myself lol.

So one hot girl says out of the blue "You know, I don't see how prostitutes in Toronto make any money or get clients. Ok, before, like, 1960, I can see how they would get business because girls back then were all like 'marry me or no sex for you', so sure, prostitutes had business from guys who wanted to have sex but weren't married. But in contemporary Toronto since the 1960's, girls are perfectly willing to have casual sex with guys. So my question is, why pay to play when you can get it for free?

I then say: (Directed to girl 1) "OK, you're hot, let's go back to your place and have sex"

Girl 1: (pause) Um...ha ha, well, I don't know you very well and I came with friends...

Girl 2 (one of her friends, age 21): But...you're, like, over 35...how could we, like, have sex with you if you're that old? We're like 21 and 22.

Girl 1: It's not your age, its just it is late and I go out to dinner with guys first, you know, and I don't know you.

Me: OK, let's go out to dinner one night - when are you free?

Girl 1: Um, well, I am kind of busy the next week and a half, but I could go out to dinner with you after that, yeah. I don't sleep with guys on the first date though, so don't get your hopes up about that - it would just be dinner to get to know you more.

Me: OK, so its a date. But you were talking about sex before, so if you have a nice dinner with me, when do you decide about sex?

Girl 1: Well, if I enjoy getting to know you, maybe the next time we go out it could get sexual, but that would depend on a lot of things, my mood at the time, what else was going on in my life, and stuff. Also I wouldn't go out with you a second time if I didn't have a connection with you at the first dinner.

Me: So if you do agree to go out again, it means you are OK in principle with having sex with me?

Girl 2: (laughs and tosses back another swig of drink). Getting ahead of ourselves are we?

Girl 1: (smiles) Um, well, in theory yes, if I went out with you like a week after the first date, then I wouldn't be opposed to having sex with you, in theory, but that doesn't mean I will have sex with you, just that I'm not opposed to it. I can't say when or even if I would have sex with you, 'cause it would depend on my mood that day, maybe on the second date I'd be in the mood, but maybe I wouldn't be. Of course I have to be in the right space and sense of self to have sex. The stars have to be aligned the right way and stuff. And you'd need to get a better haircut though for starters - that style is so not working for you.

Girl 2: (to no one in peticular) But he's, like, over 35...that's ick.

Girl 1: (to girl 2) My aunt married a guy who was like 36 when she was 23 - he's not, like, really old...yet. He's still a contender.

Me: I thought you said didn't want to get married and this was all about casual sex?

Girl 1: I don't want to get married. I mean, I don't now, but will one day. I wouldn't have sex with a guy who I totally couldn't see myself marying though, even though I don't want to get married now - you have to be at least a contender, or else what is the point of even going out with you in the first place, let alone having sex with you?

Girl 3: Wait a minute...do you want to have sex because she is like, 22 and attractive or because of who she really is?

Me: I asked because I think girls your age are attractive, and to prove a point she made a couple of minutes ago.

Girl 1: Oh yeah - my point that there is no need for prostitutes in Toronto because guys can just have sex for free with attractive girls whenever they want with no strings. So you agree with me then, that prostitutes can't make any money in Toronto in the post 1960's world?

Me: I think they can, and do. :biggrin1:

Girl 1: But why, when it is so easy to have sex in Toronto with normal girls?

Me: So when is our first dinner date? (taking out my PDA) Two weeks Friday?

Girl 1: Um, yeah, but don't put in in for sure as I have to check what parties I have on that week. I'll e-mail you when I know what works for me, I have your e-mail, so I'll e-mail you in a few days and let you know once I know.

Girl 2: (To girl 1) Don't forget you are going to my party in two weeks.

Girl 1: (to girl 2) Yeah, I'm def going to that.

Girl 1 (to me) I have to work it around other commitments, of course - but we'll have dinner sooner or later - I'll e-mail you. (when she sobers up, I won't be holding my breath for that e-mail)

Other guy: (to all) So, is he getting lucky?

Girl 1: (laughs) Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. I can't think that far ahead.


Next day Alex calls Mirage for a date...hot girl, 21-22, I want 3pm today - who's on? She is? Good, book me.

Now I'm not saying relationships aren't good, or that marriage isn't good - both those are good. But when it comes to casual sex, SPs are good too.
Excellent post this is exactly why sp's make money.
Dating is a lot of fun but is very expensive its even more expensive than seeing sp's. The only good thing about dating is that the sex becomes an ongoing thing and free after the first few dates. But at the beginning of dating someone and getting to know them you have to wine and dine them before getting any ass.
By the time you take her out to a nice dinner and drinks and depending on the mood she is in to see if you are getting laid or not you have probably spent over $400.
 

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This is exactly the reason SP's exist.

You go calling this stupid girl week after week, hoping to get to date #2 where you "may" or "may not" get laid.

So here we are a month down the road, and she's still deciding whether she wants to sleep with you (translation: she is still assessing how much $ you make and if you are a potential candiate for marriage)

Don't be stupid guys... we need to put our foot down and be a little more firm about this. Don't go waiting with blue balls for her to sleep with you.

Get in touch with a hot SP, and be banging her on the side. If things work out with your chick of choice, then stop banging the SP and start banging her. But until then keep visiting the hot SP as long as you need to.

I have one or two phone number stored in my phone for just this reason. No chance of sleeping with someone = instant speed dial for a BBBJ

If we all do this, it will eventually bring this chick stupidity to an end. They can only string guys along with this BS because WE LET THEM!

I know of an SP in Hamilton that will put all of these stupid chicks to shame. She is tall, thin, and always dressed nice (heels, hot outfit, etc). She is an excellent cure for blue balls. She is the type of chick you guys are talking about dating (excecpt much hotter!) and the difference is she will sleep with you for a reasonable fee. PM me if you need her name.
 

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And did the girls even understand what happened?
No, I doubt it. My using her own words to point out the flaws in her previously stated position I think went right over her head.

Now, the girl #1 was hot (a solid 8/10 if she had been an SP at say Dreammakers for instance). I would have been happy to prove her point and go back to her place for free sex. I'm all for free love. Also, if hot girls of 22 like her and her friends her wanted to have sex with me all the time, I wouldn't hobby and she would be right, why pay for play if I was getting hot variety for free anytime I wanted it. However, most guys over 35 do not get to have casual sex with hot 22 year olds whenever the guy wants it, and SPs have lots of clients in contemporary Toronto due to this.
 

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It sounds like the OP was as amused with the conversation as I was reading it. I think the girls just aren't tuned into guys that they don't want to bang. Its fairly easy for them to get laid, being hot and 21 y/o, so it can't be that hard for guys, right?
Yes, I too was amused by the conversation in real time.
 

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Alex, your original post is brilliant and very reflective of the dating scene today. The entire unfocused attitude of the girls themselves is the very answer to their question.

Just out of curiosity, can you recall if all the girls were Canadian? I ask this because I find this attitude to be prevalent amongst Canadian born women. In my experience, the female attitude is different when born in other parts of the world.
Thanks.

To answer your question the girls were white Canadian-born girls of Anglo-Saxon ethnicity. I am also white and of Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, so there was no cultural/ethnic divide or misunderstanding going on.
 

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It could be that she wouldn't fuck you because she was with her friends and didn't want to appear too slutty in front of them. But privately she might have been into it.
 

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Excellent post this is exactly why sp's make money.
Dating is a lot of fun but is very expensive its even more expensive than seeing sp's. The only good thing about dating is that the sex becomes an ongoing thing and free after the first few dates. But at the beginning of dating someone and getting to know them you have to wine and dine them before getting any ass.
By the time you take her out to a nice dinner and drinks and depending on the mood she is in to see if you are getting laid or not you have probably spent over $400.
i got news for you most people want stable relationships NOT one night stands
 

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Absolutely brilliant writing!

You really should submit this to Now Magazine or to Eye Weekly to publish it.

It really needs to get wider distribution.

Not to mention it really is brilliant writing.

Send it to them and see if they will publish it.

If not, then post it in craigslist Rants and Raves and see if it gets to the Best of Craigslist.

You are just preaching to the choir here
Thanks, Rub. Glad you liked it.

Maybe I will send it to Now or Eye.
 

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i got news for you most people want stable relationships NOT one night stands
True, stable relationships are good. The point the girl #1 brought up that started this conversation with me at the bar though was about casual sex outside of relationships. She didn't know why SPs could make money in Toronto in this day and age when hot young civilian girls are up for free casual sex.
 

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i got news for you most people want stable relationships NOT one night stands
Obviously the girl that was having the conversation with the OP thaught it was a lot easier for people to have casual sex without any attachments.
Also I believe that when people are younger they tend to have fun and casually date but as people get older they want more serious relationships so it also depends on what age category people fall in
 

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Very good post! :thumb:
Was it completely true or did you tweak it to sound better?

No matter, I think you should bring up the conversation again next time you see her, maybe she's thought about it and would like to prove her point.
It is true. Granted I transcribed it from memory when I got home for posting purposes, but it is accurate.

Tweaking, well I paired down the comment by girl #3 about are you interested in us because we are 21-22. In actuality her comment was longer and more disjointed about age differences, reasons guys want to date younger girls, etc, more of a 1 paragraph long ramble, but that was what she was saying, yes. Also, since girl #3 wasn't the one I was talking to I thought a rambling piece from her was distracting and it was better to make her point more concise without changing her meaning.
 

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It could be that she wouldn't fuck you because she was with her friends and didn't want to appear too slutty in front of them. But privately she might have been into it.
However she could have e-mailed me in the two days prior if she wanted to hook up but was worried about her friends, and she has not done so. She knows how to get in touch (phone, e-mail, etc) - she said she would e-mail me. Being a co-worker of lesser rank to me (but not an employee of mine or someone I see at work often), it is not in my best interest to phone her about a date when she said she would be the one to e-mail me. Most likely she is not going to e-mail and that will be the end of it.

Personally her friends are more wild than she is and I doubt they would have given her any grief over a casual hookup. As the conversation showed, she is less casual about casual hookups than she likes to think she is lol.
 

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I think your chances would be good if you get Girl 1 by herself without Girl 2 who seems to be an experienced cockblocker. Girl 2 is the type who would call older guys losers and such and just pretend to be interested in young jocks in front of her friends. On her own she could easily handle a hard fuck from an older guy with cash to flash though.

You have already done the hardest part by broaching the subject of casual sex and your interest in having it with Girl 1 and wisely enticed her into a date as well.

Very nice read and keep us posted on developments.
 

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Nice read, Alex.

It read to me as if you're just doing an inquisitive survey with the girl. Sure hope that's not how you go about picking up girls in civilian life. Cause that's one flawed rigid method.

Btw, don't hold your breath on her responding to you, she sounds like a prude, and you sounded desperate.

If she really dug you she wouldn't be that evasive and non committal.
 
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