Balsillie Makes Offer To Purchase Phoenix Coyotes
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mac said:southern Ontario should have another NHL hockey team and I hope we get one. But, am I the only one that thinks putting a team and sinking tons of new money into downtown Hamilton is one nutty proposition?
Why?
Fuck him, guy that has put millions in to the tax mans pocket, think for just one second on what that team will also put in to the tax mans pock which you will get to reap the benifits from. Its guys like you that should really think about the hole picture and know what you are talking about before you speack.
The city will see every cent of that money back in year one from every thing from the players pay, resturants, hotels, stores, taxis, new workers at copps around 100 per game, this list gos on. Plaine and simple a shit load of money coming in every year that team is there to take a tax burden from the home owners in the city.
The city will see every cent of that money back in year one from every thing from the players pay, resturants, hotels, stores, taxis, new workers at copps around 100 per game, this list gos on. Plaine and simple a shit load of money coming in every year that team is there to take a tax burden from the home owners in the city.
dav12389 said:Fuck him, guy that has put millions in to the tax mans pocket, think for just one second on what that team will also put in to the tax mans pock which you will get to reap the benifits from. Its guys like you that should really think about the hole picture and know what you are talking about before you speack.
The city will see every cent of that money back in year one from every thing from the players pay, resturants, hotels, stores, taxis, new workers at copps around 100 per game, this list gos on. Plaine and simple a shit load of money coming in every year that team is there to take a tax burden from the home owners in the city.
Thank you, finally someone who sees the light.
Balsillie is a bully and that's what is keeping him from getting a team. If this guy just played by the rules he would have had a team years ago, but he seems to know better.
Bettman looks like a dufus to us Canadians because he keeps refusing this guy, but let's give GB a break here. Number one on his priority list is to grow the game of hockey in the biggest market, the U.S., and if you remove even one team that would be considered a failure. The NHL needs American TV broadcasting revenue and Versus will grow and probably keep NHL broadcast rights when it becomes a bigger player.
Secondly, if GB allowed Balsillie to buy the Coyotes and move them, what's to stop other owners from doing the same? This is a situation that would be disasterous to the NHL. Think of the CFL expansion into the US market. If you start removing some of these small market US teams, the fan base will deteriorate.
We as Canadians think we know everything about hockey. Our American counterparts are just as knowledgeable about the game. The grass roots down south are growing with some exciting young players. This is the time to keep teams in the US as these exciting young US born players showcase their talent in the 2010 Olympics and World Juniors.
As far as I am concerned Balsillie "can go to hell" with his bullying of the league. There will be future expansion to this league, the timeline is not clear, but southern Ontario will be served by another team. Halifax or QC, maybe Seattle or Atlanta. Time will tell.
Bettman looks like a dufus to us Canadians because he keeps refusing this guy, but let's give GB a break here. Number one on his priority list is to grow the game of hockey in the biggest market, the U.S., and if you remove even one team that would be considered a failure. The NHL needs American TV broadcasting revenue and Versus will grow and probably keep NHL broadcast rights when it becomes a bigger player.
Secondly, if GB allowed Balsillie to buy the Coyotes and move them, what's to stop other owners from doing the same? This is a situation that would be disasterous to the NHL. Think of the CFL expansion into the US market. If you start removing some of these small market US teams, the fan base will deteriorate.
We as Canadians think we know everything about hockey. Our American counterparts are just as knowledgeable about the game. The grass roots down south are growing with some exciting young players. This is the time to keep teams in the US as these exciting young US born players showcase their talent in the 2010 Olympics and World Juniors.
As far as I am concerned Balsillie "can go to hell" with his bullying of the league. There will be future expansion to this league, the timeline is not clear, but southern Ontario will be served by another team. Halifax or QC, maybe Seattle or Atlanta. Time will tell.
you been there lately? That downtown core is in serious decline and has been for years. That isn't a place to put a major league team. And the only reason why it is being considered is because it has a shell of a stdium large enough to house an NHL team. But then they have to spend 150 MM to bring it up to snuff. If they need that kind of cash then frankly they should spend a bit more and put it where it is strategically best located......and that place can not possibly be downtown Hamilton.pdson2 said:According to who?
mac said:you been there lately? That downtown core is in serious decline and has been for years. That isn't a place to put a major league team. And the only reason why it is being considered is because it has a shell of a stdium large enough to house an NHL team. But then they have to spend 150 MM to bring it up to snuff. If they need that kind of cash then frankly they should spend a bit more and put it where it is strategically best located......and that place can not possibly be downtown Hamilton.
Have i been there? I live there, and i agree it is serious decline, so what are you supposed to do let it decline further. How about building it up instead to what it used to be, and renovating Copps and bringing in an NHL team and building up the downtown economy can be a start into making it what it used to be.
if there were any examples of how the location of a hockey rink, baseball stadium or other sports venue ever changed an area, I would be all for it. Problem is that if it isn't part of a major rejuvination initiative, it won't change much (example DT Baltimore). Clealry the politicians, business, and the city have voted against downtown core. Heck, I would put the damm thing on the mountain beofre I would spend a cent downtown.pdson2 said:Have i been there? I live there, and i agree it is serious decline, so what are you supposed to do let it decline further. How about building it up instead to what it used to be, and renovating Copps and bringing in an NHL team and building up the downtown economy can be a start into making it what it used to be.
Problem is that there is already an existing building that in all fairness needs upgrades so the question I would pose is does the city want the taxpayers to pay $120 million dollars in upgrades in an area which has seen brighter days or build a new arena in a better spot and perhaps the taxpayers paying a larger amount? Then again, he doesn't own the building and the city will get a very nice new lease agreement.mac said:if there were any examples of how the location of a hockey rink, baseball stadium or other sports venue ever changed an area, I would be all for it. Problem is that if it isn't part of a major rejuvination initiative, it won't change much (example DT Baltimore). Clealry the politicians, business, and the city have voted against downtown core. Heck, I would put the damm thing on the mountain beofre I would spend a cent downtown.
Please, it's "according to whom". After a preposition, aside from certain exceptions, one uses the object form "whom".pdson2 said:According to who?
Court hearing scheduled for to-day to determine who is the "real" owner (Jerry Moyes or NHL) of the Coyotes. Stephen Brunt wrote an interesting article in the Saturday Globe on Jerry Moyes and how he got into this Coyotes mess. It has cost him millions of dollars and now his trucking business is also suffering because of the recession.
I have to admit I am excited at the prospect of a Canadian NHL team joining the league seeing that we have been robbed of a few, Quebec and Washington (which will hopefully be making its return c/o RIMM). I am also looking forward to having this team established in Hamilton as I grew up there spending 25 years there. I have been looking forward to this as a kid every since the building of Copps as a reason to get a team. As much as I would love to see this happen i do not think it will be prosperous. The market is shared by Buffalo and TO and the greater Hamilton Area, being divided between the two may not be able to support an NHL team.
As far as the downtown being in decline...that is true..it has gotten a bit shabby. However, it does have potential. Furthermore, comparing the city to other US cities, aside from the population base, their cores a quite shabby too.
for the love of the game and Canadian patriotism, heck i'd be okay in contributing a few bucks of my tax payer money to get Copps up to speed to have another team sticking it to the US teams. We need a Stanley Cup again...
go Hamilton RIMMS!
or the Hamilton Blackberries!
As far as the downtown being in decline...that is true..it has gotten a bit shabby. However, it does have potential. Furthermore, comparing the city to other US cities, aside from the population base, their cores a quite shabby too.
for the love of the game and Canadian patriotism, heck i'd be okay in contributing a few bucks of my tax payer money to get Copps up to speed to have another team sticking it to the US teams. We need a Stanley Cup again...
go Hamilton RIMMS!
or the Hamilton Blackberries!
Hamilton did loose it's chance before to get an NHL team.
I don't think the NHL commissioner Betman ever supported a hockey
team in Hamilton and niether did Buffalo!
Teams which might move in the future.
Phoenix
Nashville
N.y. Islanders
possible Islanders new arena
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/NewYorkIslanders/newfront.jpg
City's that could have an NHL team
Hamilton
Las vegas
Salt Lake city
Qubebec city
Winnipeg?
I don't think the NHL commissioner Betman ever supported a hockey
team in Hamilton and niether did Buffalo!
Teams which might move in the future.
Phoenix
Nashville
N.y. Islanders
possible Islanders new arena
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/NewYorkIslanders/newfront.jpg
City's that could have an NHL team
Hamilton
Las vegas
Salt Lake city
Qubebec city
Winnipeg?
guyroch said:I have only one thing to say about Hamilton getting a NHL Team ...
Arrrrrggggoooooossss
SUUCCCKKKK!!!!!!!!!
i think the common error with this type of expansion/relocation is that north american cities especially ones that don't give two hoots about hockey are not the future. The NHL needs to get its head around European expansion or the russians are going to create the league and start locking up the players with $$$'s like the WHL did. Don't be fooled by the mickey mouse thing that is operating now in russia...they will figure it out and really screw the talent base up. We'll not only have 30 teams in North america with diluted talent like we have now but we'll have 30 teams with ultra diluted talent compared to what we have today. But Bettman will be happy because all those uselss hockey markets int he south US will have teams. WHY??Mr. Lucky said:City's that could have an NHL team
Hamilton
Las vegas
Salt Lake city
Qubebec city
Winnipeg?
I'll just have to repeat myself because I completely agree with me:
Hamilton = no money, depressed economy, closing and closed business.
Kitchener Waterloo - Guelph - Cambridge = moneymoneymoney, big thriving business, expanding population.
Why would any business person put a very high risk cash hungry business into an economic loser area when there is a comparative shining jewel in his own home town?
Businesses pay the bulk of the way in major league arena sports, not the itinerant fan. The businesses have to earn predictable revenue whether the seats are full or not.
There will never be an NHL team in Hamilton. Nor Quebec city. Winnipeg is very marginal, probably never.
The only point I sometimes don't agree with myself is that if Ballsillie gets ownership of some team he might move it to Hamilton to use Copps until he builds new corporate box subscription lease arena in KW-G-C area, on land one of his companies already owns and is already developing with corporate conference center, golf course, sport recreation facilities...
It's business, not fans.
Hamilton = no money, depressed economy, closing and closed business.
Kitchener Waterloo - Guelph - Cambridge = moneymoneymoney, big thriving business, expanding population.
Why would any business person put a very high risk cash hungry business into an economic loser area when there is a comparative shining jewel in his own home town?
Businesses pay the bulk of the way in major league arena sports, not the itinerant fan. The businesses have to earn predictable revenue whether the seats are full or not.
There will never be an NHL team in Hamilton. Nor Quebec city. Winnipeg is very marginal, probably never.
The only point I sometimes don't agree with myself is that if Ballsillie gets ownership of some team he might move it to Hamilton to use Copps until he builds new corporate box subscription lease arena in KW-G-C area, on land one of his companies already owns and is already developing with corporate conference center, golf course, sport recreation facilities...
It's business, not fans.
