Best General in battle

[superquad1968]

Seriously: He may not have been a general but I'd vote for Horatio Nelson

Not So Seriously: I gotta' vote for the General Lee. Man could that thing fly!

 

[stang]

Fastest advance in US Army history led by Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf.

Otherwise, Douglas MacArthur.

 

[basketcase]

Touch question to respond to. Every general that was victorius in battle deserves mention. The difficulty with this question is that so much depends on how well their abilities and style suited the situation they were in. Their ability to inspire their troops plays a big role, as does their freedom of action (ie. politics), their access to resources, the choices of the opposing generals. Every general has had to deal with all of these factors; many would have fared much better or worse if they were in a different position. If Rommel or Lee had more resources, if Patton was in the Pacific, if Haig was in an earlier war...

Some like Patton, Monty, and MacArthur rub me the wrong way with their arrogant demeanors but undoubtably, they got the job done.

If I was the boss (ie. Prez), Ike (or Nimitz if we include Admirals) would be my choice. As a grunt, Patton was crazy (and successful) enough to earn my respect.

 

[Esco!]

I think he is chicken

I think he fried a lot of people

 

[Spode]

Thanks so much for your snappy responce , guess thats all we have to thank you for since this was not meant to be a joke for somone like you to hi-jack and turn he death of so many great people in to a joke for you... how proud your family must be of you that you can make a joke out of those who died so you could do this ... congrates , now why not go make fun of some thing else , maybe you could go down on Nov 11 and trip a few vets that would be so funny . Why you feel the need to puff your self up at the expence of those who died for you .

So sad

Ha ha, you're serious arent ya????......

Boy did you get bitchslapped. hehehehe

 

[stang]

I change my vote.
I'll go with Colonel Sanders too.

He's even better than Major MacKenzie, Private Enterprise, Corporal Punishment and General Motors.

 

[leyla's eyes]

Spartans at Thermopylae

- Romans during their prime

- Mongols under Ghenghis Khan

- Imperial Guard under Napoleon

- Scots under William Wallace

- Confederate Horsemen in US Civil War

- Stonewall Brigade in US Civil War

- Confederate Army of Northern Virginia in US Civil War

- Union Sharpshooters in US civil war

- Prussians in 7 weeks war and Franco-Prussian war

- German Sturmtruppen in the great war

- Serbs fighting Austro-Hungrian invasions in great war

- Finns in winter war

- 62nd Army and 2nd Tank Army at Stalingrad

- II SS Panzer Korps at Kharkov, Prochorovka and Market Garden

- 82nd Airborne in Italian and Normandy campiagns

- Fallshirmjaeger at Mount Cassino

- 12 SS Panzer Division at Caen

- Marines and Japanese in the pacific war

- 101st Airborne at Bastogne

- Kampfgruppe Peiper in the battle of the bulge

- 1st Marine Division at Inch'on and Chosin

- 2nd Infantry Division at May Massacre

- 5th Special Forces in Vietnam

- Viet Minh and NVA (drop the VC) in Vietnam war

- SAS in Falkland war

- Task Force Ranger in Somalia

- Task Force 11 in GWOT

 

[leyla's eyes]

The Mongols were self-sufficient, fierce, and unparralled riders. Gotta go with Ghengis as the best ever.

 

[Shtumffed]

Spartans at Thermopylae

- Romans during their prime

- Mongols under Ghenghis Khan

- Imperial Guard under Napoleon

- Scots under William Wallace

- Confederate Horsemen in US Civil War

- Stonewall Brigade in US Civil War

- Confederate Army of Northern Virginia in US Civil War

- Union Sharpshooters in US civil war

- Prussians in 7 weeks war and Franco-Prussian war

- German Sturmtruppen in the great war

- Serbs fighting Austro-Hungrian invasions in great war

- Finns in winter war

- 62nd Army and 2nd Tank Army at Stalingrad

- II SS Panzer Korps at Kharkov, Prochorovka and Market Garden

- 82nd Airborne in Italian and Normandy campiagns

- Fallshirmjaeger at Mount Cassino

- 12 SS Panzer Division at Caen

- Marines and Japanese in the pacific war

- 101st Airborne at Bastogne

- Kampfgruppe Peiper in the battle of the bulge

- 1st Marine Division at Inch'on and Chosin

- 2nd Infantry Division at May Massacre

- 5th Special Forces in Vietnam

- Viet Minh and NVA (drop the VC) in Vietnam war

- SAS in Falkland war

- Task Force Ranger in Somalia

- Task Force 11 in GWOT

The Serbs? You insult the list of heroes. They RAN from the A-H and Bulgarian armies across the mountains to Albania, with all arms and driving civilians with them. They lost over 100,000 people running through that terrain from exhaustion and starvation and all without a sigle reaguard action!

 

[sledhead]

The other side

If your talking WW2. Don't be so quick to discount the German generals.
They didn't always have numbers on their side.
Think of what Rommel did with the Afrika Corps. He had three German divisions and the rest of the army were poor quality Italian troops. If he was given the proper support from Hitler he could have held out alot longer than he did. Also Rommel was constrained by Hitler again on and after DDay. If the reserve Panzer corps was released to him when the paratroops first started landing, DDay could have been a whole new ball of wax. Just playing devil's advocate.
Also think of how brilliant some of the Roman generals were. At the head of the list Julius Caesar.
Food for thought
Sled

 

[Shtumffed]

Rommel #1

Although not American, Rommel is by far one of the greatest land commanders of modern warfare. He was a consummate General, a leader, a gentleman and strictly a soldier!
He was also an innovator and a greatly respected tactician. His basic idea of a mobile assault strategy that he developed starting in his early career in the 1st ww in France, Romania and the Tyrol to the North African Campaigns is a basic tactic used today by western armies. It can be used at the squad level all the way up to brigade or army strength.
He lost against people like Monty only because Monty was a Quartermaster with stores full of men and materials while Rommel recieved less and less support and poor air coverage as Adolf directed efforts to the Eastern front. Oh, and don't forget the very poor support and resistance he got from the Italian general staff, which is funny as the regular Italian soldiers loved him and fought better for him at places like El Alemain then they did for their own officers.
Monty was just an arrogant egoist and I doubt that he cared much for the men, just his glory! Don't forget the para jump at Arnheim, right into an Waffen SS Panzer unit with full knowledge of the circumstances!
I could write more, but must seek nourishment!

 

[Spode]

The Serbs? You insult the list of heroes. They RAN from the A-H and Bulgarian armies across the mountains to Albania, with all arms and driving civilians with them. They lost over 100,000 people running through that terrain from exhaustion and starvation and all without a sigle reaguard action!

Easy there buddy. Your getting personal and your colours or checkers are starting to show.

 

[Shtumffed]

If your talking WW2. Don't be so quick to discount the German generals.
They didn't always have numbers on their side.
Think of what Rommel did with the Afrika Corps. He had three German divisions and the rest of the army were poor quality Italian troops. If he was given the proper support from Hitler he could have held out alot longer than he did. Also Rommel was constrained by Hitler again on and after DDay. If the reserve Panzer corps was released to him when the paratroops first started landing, DDay could have been a whole new ball of wax. Just playing devil's advocate.
Also think of how brilliant some of the Roman generals were. At the head of the list Julius Caesar.
Food for thought
Sled

Totally agree with you sled! We might be speaking German right now if Guderian and the other Prussian's din't get their way.

 

[Shtumffed]

Easy there buddy. Your getting personal and your colours or checkers are starting to show.

No, I am being objective. I wasn't aware of the rout until I saw a History program on the topic. Look it up. Where in that war did they show great prowess and contribute to the defeat of the Austro-Haungarians? They just started the shit.

 

[Cool Dude]

Greatest US General- Robert E. Lee
Honorable Mention- Douglas MacArthur
Most Underated- US Grant
Leader- Lieutenant Colonel Teddy Roosevelt

Greatest WW II General- Erwin Rommel
Honorable Mention- Douglas MacArthur
Most Overated- Bernard Montgomery

Greatest Historical General- Julius Caesar

 

[sledhead]

Ha Monty

Montgomery so full of his own shit!
As said previous waited untill overwhelming odds. Hairbrained ideas (Market Garden) A whole SS Panzer Division in Arnhem!! Poor red devils were slaughtered after a valiant effort. Way to listen to your intel buddy. Lets not even get into Africa.

 

[LancsLad]

Montgomery so full of his own shit!
As said previous waited untill overwhelming odds. Hairbrained ideas (Market Garden) A whole SS Panzer Division in Arnhem!! Poor red devils were slaughtered after a valiant effort. Way to listen to your intel buddy. Lets not even get into Africa.

Do you know anyone that was at Arnhem or are you winging it. You are entitled to your opinion , thats the deal, however misguided you may be.
Going thru the wadi area at El Alemain was quite clever actually.

 

[Svend]

Sooner or later, you'll own Generals.

 

[sledhead]

Arnhem

The “Red Devils” had dropped five miles from their target, and could only take the North side of the bridge. Worse, they had dropped on part of a Panzer division, and were beating back tank attacks from across the Rhine. Units were cut off, and the division commander, Major General “Roy” Urquart, was out of touch with his men for thirty-six critical hours.

The British 1st Airborne held on. They were supposed to be relieved on the fourth day, but after nine days the XXX Corps still did not relieve them. Casualties were mounting, and it became clear that even with additional troops landing in heavy fire south of the Rhine, the 1st Airborne was cut off.

On September 26, Montgomery ordered the 1st Airborne to break out of Arnhem and rejoin the Allied lines to the south. Out of 10,000 men dropped into Arnhem, only 2,300 came out. 1,400 were dead and over 6,000 were prisoners of war.

 

[james t kirk]

Easy there buddy. Your getting personal and your colours or checkers are starting to show.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

Obviously a Ustasha member