Bid to give Toronto cyclists more road space
- Thread starter GameBoy27
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Traffic - even heavy traffic - can move at a good clip unless something disrupts the flow, for example stopped/slow moving vehicles or vehicles changing lanes constantly. NOW you've got stop and go traffic.
Exactly what law am I breaking? All I said is that it would be insane for cyclists to take up an entire lane.
you should have to have a license and insurance to be on the road and follow the rules laid out for you by the highway traffic act. car, bike, truck or whatever else. just because you are on a bike doesn't mean you get special treatment or are automatically right in every instance or accident.
simple.
simple.
That is exactly the law.Exactly what law am I breaking? All I said is that it would be insane for cyclists to take up an entire lane.
Bike licenses would be great, then every cyclist could take up a full lane. Also:
So...$300 for the bike. Another $60 or more for a decent helmet.simon482 said:
Now, on to your next expense, the simon-approved license. What should that cost? Let's say $40 for the plate and another $60 per year. Insurance? What's that going to cost, has to be at least $50 month to make it even worthwhile for an insurance company to bother with the sign up and claims processing, paperwork etc.
Still feel like biking for fitness? Your little $300 bike hobby is now going to cost you more than $1000 to get out the door on a 'cheap' Canadian Tire bike and will be an ongoing expense every year after, whether you ride a few days in the summer or every day of the year.
if i plan on riding on the road i will have to pay for a license and insurance like everyone else. did you think quoting me would make me change my mind or steer me away from what i said ? if i am vehicle on the road i should be forced to keep with the same rules as all other vehicles on the road.
of course if these thing were put in place i would probably skip the bike for the street and get a stationary bike for my living room.
this is my approved license, i am not a gov't official to set the policy. i am sure insurance companies will set a good price as well, how do you know what is to low for them to bother with ? are you one of these people that can only talk in extremes as well ?
your subtle condescending attitude is impressive as well.
Your answer to my question makes no sense. Did you even read what I said? Please elaborate or as I say to my 5 year old, use your words!
Consider this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKhgBye5K0&feature=player_embedded
Give it a minute....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKhgBye5K0&feature=player_embedded
Give it a minute....
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Perhaps, but that is what I do occasionally. I do this for one reason only, to be seen.
If the situation is hairy enough, get off the road.
If there is no chance to get off the road, look as big as you can, that way the car will see you.
For me, safety first. My routes usually avoid cars. I ride as slow as I can sometimes, with the entire road or bike lane to myself.
But in traffic, ride at a certain pace, 15 km/h to 25 km/h, and look big.
Riding fast in traffic makes the bicycle seem slower to the cars on my ass.
It is the law that cyclists can take the whole lane. The law says they SHOULD move over, but only if they judge that it is safe to do so. If they do not judge that it is safe to move over, they can and should take the whole lane.
Often the reasons why it isn't safe to move over aren't as obvious to drivers as they are to cyclists, like a line of parked cars--if the lane is too narrow to permit a car to pass while keeping a good meter away from the parked cars, the cyclist must take the entire lane. Another example would be streetcar tracks -- often drivers aren't aware of where they are, because they aren't an issue for cars, but they often determine where a cyclist can ride safely because it is completely unsafe to ride along with the wheel of a bike near the track, and on some roads between the parked cars and the streetcar tracks the cyclist has no choice but to take the entire lane while the driver believes they have lots of room to pull over.
Sometimes it's situational as well -- a cyclist planning a left turn should take the entire lane well in advance to avoid having to swerve across the whole lane while a car may be overtaking. If I'm cycling on a four lane road and I'm planning a left, I'm in the left lane with traffic passing me in the right lane and I will NOT ride in the right edge of the left lane with cars passing me on both sides -- that is just too fucking dangerous. So I will take the whole left lane for perhaps half a block ahead of my left turn. Once I'm stopped waiting for my turn, I'll pull over to the left edge of the left lane and wait there for my turn, but before that--whole left lane.
