Biden Confuses Macron with Mitterand Who Died in 1996

Valcazar

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I've never said Biden caused the war in Ukraine. Putin felt comfortable invading during Biden's tenure. Why do you think that is?
Because Trump had spent years weakening NATO and so Putin figured they wouldn't push back.
Also, due to domestic issues in Russia that began to become a bigger problem in 2020.

Also, he felt he was making significant progress in squeezing Ukraine without military force with Trump's support, so no need to waste resources.

And, finally, Zelensky had started cracking down on Russian propaganda in Ukraine and said he was going to support the National Defense plan that called for a stronger position on the Crimea situation.

Putin didn't start building up his troops until then.

The situation was just different in 2021 than it had been earlier.

North Korea did indeed test missiles after meeting with Trump but the tests were few and were mostly short range type. Many nations test short range as part of their military defence complex.

Just for fun, why don't you look up at how many tests have been carried out during Biden's tenure and how many were mid to long range (ICMB). I think you will be surprised...if not scared. Why do you think that is?
Because North Korea has been expanding their production and have more of them to test now.
They started testing ICBMs under Trump, and have been expanding their tests ever since.
 
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Why should I be angry? You were the one who took your ball and left in a huff.
I mean calling names and throwing insults sounds like you're angry. People don't usually do that if they're not.
Have you thought about singing up for anger management sessions?
 
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Biden is looking BAD my man. It's elder abuse on a whole new level.
Trump knows Tim Apple and he also knows that windmills neuter whales and bleach cures covid and John McCain was a loser because he got captured in Nam., but he is a winner because he dodged the draft. COVFEFE to all, right in the pussy !
 
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Trump knows Tim Apple and he also knows that windmills neuter whales and bleach cures covid and John McCain was a loser because he got captured in Nam., but he is a winner because he dodged the draft. COVFEFE to all, right in the pussy !
There is major evidence of a man suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome in this post. TDS is a sign of unconciously being a closet Trump fan.
 

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I didn't name call anyone. I was just being conversational. But you threw a tantrum and took your ball and left in a huff, because you knew you couldn't defend your position, and are now trying to save face 😂 .
Asking someone if they're "stupid" is not a normal way to have a civil conversation. That is a sign of weakness and a definite sign that you are uncomfortable defending your position.
A distraction.
An attack to draw attention away from your argument.

I'm comfortable enough to defend my argument without having to attack anyone because I know I don't have to. I'm confident in my belief and position and also offered information to back up my words.

That is why the argument is over and that's why you lost.
 
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Asking someone if they're "stupid" is not a normal way to have a civil conversation. That is a sign of weakness and a definite sign that you are uncomfortable defending your position.
A distraction.
An attack to draw attention away from your argument.

I'm comfortable enough to defend my argument without having to attack anyone because I know I don't have to. I'm confident in my belief and position and also offered information to back up my words.

That is why the argument is over and that's why you lost.
Do you have an argument?
All I see from you are attacks.

Your posts sound a bit like rump.
 
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Do you have an argument?
All I see is you jumping in/out of posts trolling and deflecting.
Yes, both are old and should step out of the election.
Rump's cognitive decline is way worse but both should step down.
 

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It is perfectly conversational to say it and does not amount to name calling. But this is a typical of people where when they are unable to defend their arguments they become overtly sensitive because they know deep down that their arguments were stupid to begin with, and then walk off in a huff declaring they "won", knowing they actually lost. That is inferiority complex. And also childish. A sign of weakness.

Am here to continue whenever you get over it.
Perfectly conversational to ask if someone is stupid? Seriously?
Are you gaslighting me?
 

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Perfectly conversational to ask if someone is stupid? Seriously?
Are you gaslighting me?
Yes, its worth asking to see if you are actually stupid or just trolling and playing stupid.
With you, its hard to tell most of the time.
 
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Valcazar

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That is not how agreements work. Agreements are not signed with Presidents. Agreements are signed with nations. Doesn't matter who is president those agreements stand and as I illustrated, even during Trumps presidency they still tested ballistic missiles. So Trump failed.
That's a core bit of the MAGA and general authoritarian mindset, though.
The idea of countries making deals or of international multi-lateral agreements are a joke and a mistake and stupid.
The State is the Leader and therefore all agreements are personal ones.
Trump and Kim had a deal - therefore it only counts between them.
It was also only a verbal agreement where South Korea agreed to voluntarily suspend testing.
(Yes, Kim ignored his deal with Trump and tested missiles anyway.)

I know all about the history and yes Russia invaded in 2014. So clearly, it has nothing to do with Biden, because Biden wasn't president then. And then Trump got to power. He is such a strong world leader and a genius in foreign policy right? So why did he not talk Putin out of occupying Crimea and get him to pull back? So again he failed.
Trump told NATO that if they didn't agree with his terms, he would let Putin invade them.
 

Valcazar

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Not quite.
Testing short range ballistic missiles is fairly common for many nations. ICBMs are totally different and pose a threat at longer distances, ie the US and NATO allies. Why didn't they test long range missiles during Trump's tenure and many during Biden's? The answer is there you just need to adjust your thinking and bias.
They did test ICBMs during Trump's tenure.
In fact, they did their first tests of ICBMs after he came into power, and didn't stop until they said they were done with the testing they needed.
Then they rolled out ICBMs in their military parades.

Nations sign peace treaties? hahaha

The United States Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2).
Yes, that's a nation who signs the treaty, not a personal agreement between Trump and Kim.
Or did you not notice the part about the Senate?
 
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Valcazar

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And trump is MAGA.
What happens without him?

Does the whole thing crumble?
No.
The move towards dictatorship/authoritarianism Trump has accelerated will continue without him because that is where the GOP was headed anyway.

Then it becomes a dictatorship.
You don't think Trump can pull it off himself?
He's going to have to be sort of John the Baptist to some other GOP Jesus who will actually usher it in?
That's interesting.
 

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They did test ICBMs during Trump's tenure.
In fact, they did their first tests of ICBMs after he came into power, and didn't stop until they said they were done with the testing they needed.
Then they rolled out ICBMs in their military parades.



Yes, that's a nation who signs the treaty, not a personal agreement between Trump and Kim.
Or did you not notice the part about the Senate?
How many ICBMs did they test during Trump's tenure vs Biden's? I know the answer but I'll wait for yours.

So if the nation signs the treaty why would Trump himself be blamed for the other nation breaking it?
Just like why wouldn't Trump be given credit if they stick to it?

You can't have it both ways.
 

Valcazar

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Trump wasn't weak...he committed to getting the US out of endless wars and Syria was one of them. He kept his promise.
No he didn't.
He moved them from Northern Syria to Eastern Syria to "protect the oil wells" (and hinted it was to take the oil for the US, which would have been a war crime).
In the end, he had roughly the same number of troops there as he had before.

He put forward requests for humane action by Turkey against the Turks and ultimately left it up to them. Turks/Kurds have been at war for decades.
He threatened Erdogan and was laughed at and ignored.

Also, if you read my previous posts, look up how many ICBM tests NK performed before Trump was in office, during, and after. You'll find your answer.
None before.
Several during.
More after.

It's like North Korea built ICBMs and have been testing them more as they have more and have improved the design and their capability, regardless of who is president.
 
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Obama didn't stop the war in Iraq, he reduced the troops. The US was still in Iraq after Obama left office. He also promised to close Guantanamo Bay but didn't.
Trump promised to exit Syria. Promise made promise kept. He warned Erdogan not to use inhumane tactics against the Kurds but ultimately, his goal was achieved and Kurds have been fighting Turks for a very long time.
Stop lying about Trump exiting Syria.
If "there are no troops there now" is your standard, not ending official hostilities, then Trump failed to end any conflicts the US was involved with, correct?
The only person who has actually withdrawn troops completely is Biden.
 

Valcazar

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How many ICBMs did they test during Trump's tenure vs Biden's? I know the answer but I'll wait for yours.

So if the nation signs the treaty why would Trump himself be blamed for the other nation breaking it?
Just like why wouldn't Trump be given credit if they stick to it?

You can't have it both ways.
You're the one who keeps insisting that people breaking treaties is because they think the president is weak.
I don't actually think that's how things work. I'm just pointing out that you can't have it both ways.
If it is all about personal strength and how foreign leaders view Trump or Biden, then the fact people ignored Trump and invaded places he said not to means they thought he was weak if you think that fact pattern means people thought Biden was weak.

They have absolutely tested more ICBMs under Biden.
They have built more and have more newer missiles to test.
They also have important regional reasons to take a more belligerent stance these days, given the hardening of South Korea's position.

Believe it or not "Trump Strong/ Biden Weak" is not actually what's driving any of this.
 

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No he didn't.
He moved them from Northern Syria to Eastern Syria to "protect the oil wells" (and hinted it was to take the oil for the US, which would have been a war crime).
In the end, he had roughly the same number of troops there as he had before.



He threatened Erdogan and was laughed at and ignored.



None before.
Several during.
More after.

It's like North Korea built ICBMs and have been testing them more as they have more and have improved the design and their capability, regardless of who is president.
More claims without substance or proof.

How about this...I stop providing sources of info to back up my claims and do as you do...just provide my own biased opinion.

Would that work better for you?
 
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No.
The move towards dictatorship/authoritarianism Trump has accelerated will continue without him because that is where the GOP was headed anyway.
I think that's a point worth more debate.
MAGA is a cult of personality, its not a general movement towards authoritarianism.
The 'base' is what used to be the target GOP demographic but corralled through a cult of personality.

Look at the way mitch and the other MAGA types attack Haley or Ron D, all based on personality. Its not like the GOP is pushing ads saying 'you need a strong leader who will break the laws for you', the 'bases' is supporting rump as an anti authoritarian figure. The GOP is rump's and its his based on personality. There are no policies, just their trust in his personality.
 
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