Biden signs order on abortion access, urges women to vote in November
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Nope just Social Security and numerous other reforms. Oh and saw them through WW2 and the Great Depression with the New Deal. Was elected 4 times. And would have gotten a fifth and Universal Healthcare through if he hadn't died. Point being prople trusted him to keep moving forward. People don't trust the present party too.
The Modern day Democratic party is a right of Centre policy based party due to its donors. It only pays lip service to actual changes.
Social security, with FDR himself admitted had been "chiseled down to a conservative pattern", breaking his aspirational promises.
You would have been viciously against FDR and everything he did if he was alive now, accusing him of everything you always accuse Democrats of.
And, of course, you still haven't squared the circle of FDR was only able to pass those compromised, conservative-based plans because of his massive majorities.
Majorities that Biden and the current Democrats don't have.
Not at all. FDR is awesome! Perhaps the best President.
You are arguing that FDR was not elected based on his progressive policies and his successes in an attempt to make excuses for the present day party. Obama's Majority and failure to produce prove you wrong.
And now you are trying to say FDR wasn't progressive enough. Or he had it easy. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds?
You're only claiming that because he is dead.
You would have claimed to hate him as a neoliberal sell out to the donors and conservatives.
You said he got his massive legislative majority because he delivered on his promises, even though he wasn't president yet and hadn't delivered on anything.
I will continue to make fun of you for saying such a silly thing.
To you?
I'm sure anything that counters your ahistorical narrative sounds ridiculous.
You do tend to try very hard not to learn inconvenient facts and context.
I'm seriously laughing at you now. You are trying to reduce the impact his policies had and more importantly how those policies gave him four Presidencies and his majorities.
Again. Voters gave Obama a chance by also giving him a super Majority. When The Democrats failedcto do the two things voters wanted most, to end the Wars and Medicare for All, solely because Democrats were bought off and stopped it from happening, they stayed home.
Thats the facts. Had he ended the wars, and produced Medicare for All, and Not Obamacare, he would be lauded as FDR 2.0, and Whoever in the D's said they would continue would be in. Trump would never have happened, the SCOTUS would be a D majority.
Thats the reality. Thats why they suck. That's why they can't win.
No.
I'm really not.
FDR is my favorite president (Well, I go back and forth with him and Lincoln.)
I just don't mythologize the man and what he accomplished.
It isn't helpful.
This explains 2010 decently enough, yes.
This is a fantasy that you have in your mind.
He may well have been lauded as FDR 2.0 in the history books, but that he would have been rewarded in the moment is just wishcasting.
Regardless, "Biden can't do things in a 50-50 senate that FDR did with a super majority in a Senate that operates under different rules and with a different political coalition that exists now" is a silly premise.
Yes.
There are huge structural problems limiting the ability to have major progressive change in the US.
Why you want to therefore make sure any progressive change is harder escapes me (assuming I actually believed you believed in progressive goals).
No it isn't wish casting. If you enact policy that benefits voters they vote for you. And more importantly trust you. FDR proved that.
The structural problems wee overcome by the above.
You have the causality backwards.
He overcame some of the structural problems and was able to enact legislation.
He had to, of course, sacrifice much of his agenda to do so - because that's the way it is.
He gutted his original health care plan.
He gutted his original jobs guarantee.
He gutted his original social security plan.
He passed what he could given the structural constraints he was under.
Those constraints were considerably less than Biden has now in many ways - not the least was that since everyone was so pissed at Hoover, FDR came in with supermajorities in both houses of Congress and a crushing electoral win.
57.4% of the popular vote.
472-59 in the electoral collage.
42 states won to 6.
Congress passed every single thing he put in front of them in his first 100 days (they were mostly emergency relief).
And yup, good things got done.
But pretending those things got done because FDR was a magical pixie dream president and not because he had a massive mandate and nearly unified support during a crisis is silly.
There is a reason they were so afraid of Huey Long splitting the vote in 1936 and letting the Republicans win back control.
Like I said. He overcame the problems. But the problems aren't "structural". The problems are people. People run things. The Democrats problem is people, not structure. Get better people. And shit gets done. Voters vote for people, not structures. Put up better people, get better results.
Thats Democracy.
