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staggerspool

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Sorry, I tried to edit my post and it went all screwy, so I deleted it and will try to recreate it.

As a rabid cyclist, I feel a 'brotherhood' with other cyclists. Today I read the following in the Toronto STar, titled COURIERS SHARE THEIR MUTUAL HARDSHIP:

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There's camaraderie among them, though they are not quite a band of brothers. They may not know each other's names – there up to 200 in the city – but a fellow rider who passes gets a look of recognition, a nod, a flick of a finger.

"It's a common respect for mutual hardship," says Ian McIlwain, 24, spending a year in the gritty world of bicycle messengers.

He points to the stripped-to-essentials bike couriers use. "You'd never get respect if you have a lot of parts or wear a helmet. A lot are fixed-gear bikes, without brakes. If there's anything common in the culture, it's the threat we face."

A Montreal study showed the accident rate for couriers is six times that of other cyclists. Some argue that's because they spend more time on the road than other riders.

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This makes me pause to consider....

You need to ride a bike with no brakes to get respect? AND you feel threatened? Try adding that one up. I have seen a lot of couriers riding on the sidewalk, brushing past pedestrians at high speed, without brakes. They need respect, but show none to others with whom they share space.

I read elsewhere that the courier who got creamed was a noisy neighbour, and responded to requests to keep it down by stating that "I'm a biker. This is my lifestyle. Get used to it." Or some such.

I read these things, and connect it to what I have seen myself, and I just think 'Asshole.'

Thinking about the beginning of this unfortunate situation, I wonder how it happened that he was bumped from behind by the driver, if that is what turns out to be the case. He would have to have been in the middle of the road, not moving. I read that he was in police custody shortly before the 'incident.' Perhaps he was feeling 'disrespected.' Perhaps he was out looking for some more disrespect from someone he could challenge about it. Perhaps he found someone.

I have posted elsewhere about my attitude to cars and drivers. I think cars should be considered dangerous weapons, and drivers should be responsible for their use in the same way that gun owners are for their guns. The driver is rightly charged, and justice must be carried out.

But bike couriers are not a culture unto themselves. They live among us, and must behave respectfully if they want respect. I suspect that couriers have six times the accident rate of other cyclists because they are six times more arrogant, foolish and disrespectful.

I nominate Darcy Allan Sheppard for the Darwin award.
 

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I have seen couriers behave in the most outrageous ways. On one occasion, I saw a courier spit a huge loogie all over the side window of an old guy's car in a traffic dispute and then speed off, flipping the dotard the finger.

It's a vile, macho, self-centred culture.
 

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I have no respect for bicycle couriers as I have never seen one behave in a manner that would earn it. That article just reinforces the point. That being said I guess it's better that they are on bikes which can do less damage than cars would in the same hands.
 

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I'm a cyclist and agree with the initial post.
They're a small number but their attitudes have tainted all of us and make it harder to get safer cycling infrastructure.

Bryant has a similar alpha arrogance, he would have fit right in with them. I hope he's found guilty because I believe he initiated the problem and then testosterone took over for both of them. We need to crack down on all road rage.
 

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staggerspool said:
He points to the stripped-to-essentials bike couriers use. "You'd never get respect if you have a lot of parts or wear a helmet. A lot are fixed-gear bikes, without brakes. If there's anything common in the culture, it's the threat we face."
Fixed gear bikes are very chic right now. I have one, and have never seen them more popular with non-racers than now. They are typically used as an early season training aid. They are minimalist and look cool, and are usually a conversion project (find a nice one-off frame, convert, maybe get a flip-flop hub for versatility).

The issue for me is I would never ride a fixie downtown. It is a macho thing and a way to separate oneself from the crowd. They can be a great ride, but you need to be good to do it.

What I regret about this incident most, after the loss of life, is it has only served to push cyclists and drivers farther apart. Equating cyclists with the courier culture is even worse. There are many many sane, law abiding cyclists who just love the ride and the freedom. Those unstable drivers out there have now yet another reason to enforce their prejudice against us.
 

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Garrett said:
Fixed gear bikes are very chic right now. I have one, and have never seen them more popular with non-racers than now. They are typically used as an early season training aid. They are minimalist and look cool, and are usually a conversion project (find a nice one-off frame, convert, maybe get a flip-flop hub for versatility).

The issue for me is I would never ride a fixie downtown. It is a macho thing and a way to separate oneself from the crowd. They can be a great ride, but you need to be good to do it.
Help me out here...

Unless you are going to be doing stunts what other purpose would there be in having a "fixie"? I fail to see how being relegated to 1 gear and no brakes makes you macho.......

Then again I also fail to see the appeal in pimping out a Honda Civic....
 

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Garrett

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Moraff said:
Help me out here...

Unless you are going to be doing stunts what other purpose would there be in having a "fixie"? I fail to see how being relegated to 1 gear and no brakes makes you macho.......
A fixie is not about "stunts". When you ride, a big part of early season training is spinning and conditioning your muscles. On a fixie you are typically spinning at high RPMs and you cannot coast. Try riding a bike without coasting, it can be a real eye opener. From a training point of view, it is excellent and nice variety.

The no brake aspect is where the macho thing comes in. It is a dumb thing to do. However, men often do a lot of dumb things in their attempt to stand out and be the alpha male (and usually end up looking like idiots in the process :).
 

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Not that I advocate violence or anything, but someone seriously needs to give those guys a hi-five to the face.:mad:
yup.... and they wonder why they don't get any sympathy when someone opens a car door in front of them.....
 

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yup.... and they wonder why they don't get any sympathy when someone opens a car door in front of them.....
I don't understand this attitude toward cyclists.

Yes, there are shitty and idiot cyclists around. Just like the roads are full of incompetent and idiot drivers. A big difference between them however is that cyclists rarely kill people on the road, other than themselves.

I've never put a car and its passengers in danger. However, I've come close way too many times to count them of being killed and I have been injured by idiots not paying attention to the road while texting away, by drivers opening their door without looking at the traffic first, or by drivers doing a right turn without checking out their blind spot first, etc.
 

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drunk idiot

Some drunk, loud-mouthed idiot who happened to be a cyclist got killed. It is no big deal. Bryant shouldn't have been charged with anything.

There is only one reason Sheppard hanging on to the car: He was looking to attack Bryant.
 

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genintoronto said:
I don't understand this attitude toward cyclists.

Yes, there are shitty and idiot cyclists around. Just like the roads are full of incompetent and idiot drivers. A big difference between them however is that cyclists rarely kill people on the road, other than themselves.

I've never put a car and its passengers in danger. However, I've come close way too many times to count them of being killed and I have been injured by idiots not paying attention to the road while texting away, by drivers opening their door without looking at the traffic first, or by drivers doing a right turn without checking out their blind spot first, etc.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I do not have a problem with cyclists, I have a problem with any idiot who purposely puts innocent peoples lives in danger. I agree that it is rare that a cyclist does major damage, but the number of pedestrians that could have been seriously injured, or knocked into traffic by these jerks not obeying the rules of the road is astounding. Not to mention the possible damage to peoples property, and the risk of really fucking up someones day by having to explain to the police how they ran over and killed a cyclist.
 

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We USED to have many cyclist around here...and on Sundays mornings you still will see a few but for the most part cars and SUV's "won" :p

The cyclist would ride two-three abreast in a lane of traffic--like they had a right to clog up that lane. I hated them but police seem never to talk to me ever so I try to keep the peace, lol. But I'm guessing enough other motorists didn't put up with the cyclists crap and blew their horns at them, etc.

Toronto traffic moves so slow the cyclists seem to get the upper hand..they can squeeze their way down a street and make pretty good time in heavy traffic.

The cyclist do seem to like bully their way around...they are acting like bullies now. Many seem resentful of people who can afford to drive a car--expensive cars seem to tick them off the most.

Good thing the law says no bikes on freeways...but I seen a few on a certain freeway here...I blew my horn at them...didn't care...all I need is to hit one of them while speeding down the road.

Like I said, this was 5 years ago--today its a rare sight to see them during the week....cars rule the roads here and I love it!
 

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fixed gear bike popularity is pure fashion, for the specific sub culture attracted to it, borne out of bike courier world where the repetitive stop start, standing stop, requires fixed gear.

In all road cycling disciplines, practiced by millions around the world, no one trains on a fixed gear bike except velodrome sprint - single and team riders.

In road cycle training the most important thing is cadence: constant crank rpm's regardless of gear and terrain. Riders become intimately aware of gear ratios per terrain per cadence, and shift accordingly. Some new technology, failed I think, is cadence driven automatic transmission on road bicycles, it's that important.

Fixed gear would simply eliminate cadence training.
 

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S.C. Joe said:
Like I said, this was 5 years ago--today its a rare sight to see them during the week....cars rule the roads here and I love it!
Road cyclists in North America are generally a sign of affluence. They make more money than most. Pay more taxes. Have nicer things (including cars). These are the roadie crowd. I imagine the reason you see fewer is you live near Detroit (or so it says), which has generally degraded to a cesspool. Enjoy your car, and the cesspool :)
 

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genintoronto said:
I don't understand this attitude toward cyclists.

I've never put a car and its passengers in danger. However, I've come close way too many times to count them of being killed and I have been injured by idiots not paying attention to the road while texting away, by drivers opening their door without looking at the traffic first, or by drivers doing a right turn without checking out their blind spot first, etc.
I ride to work in T.O. during the summer months and enjoy it tremendously.
But I believe that it's completely my responsibility to maintain the margin of safety betweem myself and the cars on the road...not motorists.
So I'm always aware of what the cars around me are doing, or likely to be doing; if a car starts to slow near an intersection, I'll immediately start to track him to determine what his intentions might be. If it's to turn right, then I'll sometimes just stop and let the motorist do just that. I'm always attempting to make eye contact with drivers, just to let them know I'm there, etc. etc.

For 15 years now, I've never had a remotely serious incident on my bike....and I ride during rush hours regularly. In general, if I judge it prudent to give way in a certain situation, either because the driver is being inattentive or just plain rude, then i'm happy to do so in the knowledge that I'll survive another day doing what I love to do. When riding your bike in heavy city traffic, you've got to chuck your ego or else it might just get you killed some day. Accidents always happen in a blink of an eye.
 

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genintoronto said:
I don't understand this attitude toward cyclists.
You misunderstand me.... I have no problem with cyclists who respect the rules of the road and the others that are using it. I don't even have a problem with cyclists coasting through red lights and stop signs when there's no other traffic around as long as they've slowed enough to stop if there is.

I have a problem with the cyclists who drive around like the laws apply to everyone but themselves (as in that video link that was posted).

It's not about the fact that a cyclist will likely be the only one killed. Do you think I want it on my shoulders that I killed someone even if it's in no way my fault? I'm pretty sure I could live with it, but I'd really rather not find out.

I am both a motorist and a cyclist and I follow the laws regardless of which one I am driving. Is it too much to ask that others on the road around me do the same?


genintoronto said:
I've never put a car and its passengers in danger. However, I've come close way too many times to count them of being killed and I have been injured by idiots not paying attention to the road while texting away, by drivers opening their door without looking at the traffic first, or by drivers doing a right turn without checking out their blind spot first, etc.
I agree that texting/talking on your cell phone is a huge problem.... yet I've also seen cyclists doing the same thing these days......

Why are you so close to a parked car while riding? You shouldn't be riding in the lane they are parked in (if you were).. and if they're right on the left edge of their lane you should have moved further into your lane to ensure clearance should they suddenly open a door.

Do you mean drivers that go past you and then immediately turn right? Then I agree with you, they are very annoying. If you mean that you are coming up beside them in the lane, then you are at fault.
 
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