Black Panther and the supposed need for idols

[Promo]

You say excuses, I say rationale.

OK - List 20 movies that fit into your category of new, younger, fresher and we'll see what others think about those movies. Please note that the target audience is usually 18-35/40 for most advertisers so I imagine that's the same for movies. That said, plenty of people above this age going to see these movies so they might not be successful solely on the young audience.

I'm really not disagreeing with you. I'm just trying to make the point that Hollywood ticket sales are way down and they need to make changes. Time for the old Hollywood guard to relinquish some power to new people (like JJ) and give them time to deliver.

Another Death Wish movie, even if it stars Bruce Willis isn't going to solve the problem. It may make good money, but personally I'm not going to the theater to watch it, I'll wait for TV release. Hollywood needs to understand their customer and the new market dynamic.

 

[malata]

doesn't matter what color, if it's a hot pussy to save the day, i'm watching it

 

[wigglee]

Ok Promo... be sure to let us Terb oldtimers when your all new original screenplay hits the big screen with a cast all under 30... no more excuses!

 

[Insidious Von]

Promo will deliver an epic blockbuster, his true identity is now revealed.

 

[Promo]

Ok Promo... be sure to let us Terb oldtimers when your all new original screenplay hits the big screen with a cast all under 30... no more excuses!

Promo will deliver an epic blockbuster, his true identity is now revealed.

But you old farts won't even remember this conversation by the end of the day. And no-way I'm going to encourage you to get behind the wheel of a car!

Insidious Von, that's 7 videos posted in this thread, none of them having to do with the topic at hand. WTH??

 

[Insidious Von]

That's your op, not only are you blinkered you also have an attention deficit as well. Keep it up, you're very entertaining.

Do women beat a path to your door or when you go to the movies you talk back to the screen because you missed something?

 

[sempel]

I'm really not disagreeing with you. I'm just trying to make the point that Hollywood ticket sales are way down and they need to make changes. Time for the old Hollywood guard to relinquish some power to new people (like JJ) and give them time to deliver.

Another Death Wish movie, even if it stars Bruce Willis isn't going to solve the problem. It may make good money, but personally I'm not going to the theater to watch it, I'll wait for TV release. Hollywood needs to understand their customer and the new market dynamic.

Ticket sales are down for a variety of reasons. You might be correct that the movies aren't catering to certain people, but that's not the only reason and probably not the main reason. The other reasons have been mentioned.

I'm thinking the studios disagree with you which is why they are redoing Death Wish and why they've redone so many other movies. In most cases, these movies have banked some decent coin. Some will be a flop but most will make a lot of money and that's always the driving factor.

I also think you speak for yourself, not everyone in your age category. Plenty of people younger, older, and the same age as you will go see Death Wish. I see no reason to see it in theatres because there's no added effect of the big screen experience. But if a friend/relative really wants to see it I may join them. Funny to quibble over a $12-20 movie on a board where guys pay $200+/hour for other things...

 

[Insidious Von]

I'm sorry but I'm not going to plunk down my coin on Death Wish, it's an unnecessary remake. Some things are best left alone.

 

[sempel]

I'm sorry but I'm not going to plunk down my coin on Death Wish, it's an unnecessary remake. Some things are best left alone.

100% agree. Wildey was a good friend...

 

[Insidious Von]

Charles Bronson was an actual tough guy, his films should not be touched. I thought Death Wish was one of his weaker films and contributed to his decline, love Hard Times. CB didn't need a gun to gain respect.

That's why Britain's most dangerous inmate took his name. Michael Peterson is still in prison for what were misdemeanor charges, supposedly he recently got married.

This old fart missed the significance of this scene the first time round.

 

[sempel]

Charles Bronson was an actual tough guy, his films should not be touched. I thought Death Wish was one of his weaker films and contributed to his decline, love Hard Times. CB didn't need a gun to gain respect.

That's why Britain's most dangerous inmate took his name. Michael Peterson is still in prison for what were misdemeanor charges, supposedly he recently got married.

This scene confused me at first, I found out that the target was a pedophile.

I haven't seen too many Bronson films other than the Death Wish movies. Gotta check out a few. Any others in addition to Hard Times?

And there are MANY movies where the original was good enough to stand the test of time and the remake was a bastardization of a good thing.

 

[Insidious Von]

You've never seen The Great Escape, The Magnificent Seven or The Dirty Dozen? Of his stand alone films Hard Times, The Mechanic and The Valachi Papers are his best.

And of course Once Upon A Time In The West:

 

[sempel]

You've never seen The Great Escape, The Magnificent Seven or The Dirty Dozen? Of his stand alone films Hard Times, The Mechanic and The Valachi Papers are his best.

And of course Once Upon A Time In The West:

Sorry, can't say I have (I hang my head in shame). Funny enough, I went on Kodi for the Magnificent Seven (the remake with Denzel). I selected the new version but some of the streams were of the original. So I've seen the first 2 min by accident. I'll watch some of these though in the next little while.

 

[Insidious Von]

Don't start with Once Upon A Time in The West, it's Sergio Leone's most sprawling film. Not popcorn fare, you'll need to devote some time to it.

 

[malata]

Don't start with Once Upon A Time in The West, it's Sergio Leone's most sprawling film. Not popcorn fare, you'll need to devote some time to it.

good pick. I enjoy those Clint Eastwood Western films

 

[Insidious Von]

Since this started all the fecal slinging of late.

 

[frankcastle]

I saw Black Panther in Brampton and the entire theater complex was rammed.

As for the movie itself.... it was really good. Unlike a lot of action movies the villain had a really well developed story.

A good villain makes the movie better.

Personally I'm much happier with Black Panther than some sideways shooting, grammar destroying "hero" with no depth.

People want to see themselves represented. The OP may not but plenty of people do.

 

[sempel]

People want to see themselves represented. The OP may not but plenty of people do.

True - because I ask myself how it makes any difference to me? The simple answer is it doesn't. There is always going to be some racism in the world, and there's always going to be systemic racism. However, I was raised to believe if you work hard you can do whatever you want, be whatever you want to be. So when you see someone on TV, in the news, or wherever that's currently in a position that you want to be in, you work for it. Many of the limitations that used to restrict most minorities from getting ahead or allowing them to do certain things no longer exist. So if I see a lawyer (for some reason I use lawyer examples a lot) and think I want to be a lawyer, I do what is needed to work hard and become a lawyer. I don't look at the lawyer and think he doesn't look like me therefore it's not going to happen. I might be characterized as a dreamer when I'm young but that's the thing, you do what you have to do. If you can't seem to get ahead at a company, quit and form your own.

Take Barack Obama - who did he have to idolize? Nobody in the Oval Office has ever been like him and looked like him. Didn't seem to stop him from becoming a President. He broke a perceived barrier and is to be congratulated. There hasn't been an EI President. So all EI's are screwed because there's nobody who looks like them has ever been in the Oval Office?

 

[D-Fens]

I just read a commentary in the newspaper

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/film/the-black-panther-revolution-ishere/article37967876/



I've watched superhero movies all my life. I've idolized the characters, good and bad, especially if they have some cool powers. I wanted to be them or be like them, including Blade. Not once have I ever considered the color of the character as having anything to do with anything. So why do I always see a bunch of articles like this that seem to indicate a requirement for idolization is the person is of the same ethnic background? Why is it some people always seem to think that race is the most important thing?

Because we relate better, and connect better to characters who look like us. It's not just white people who go to watch movies. People want characters that THEY can identify with. it's an untapped market. and Hollywood executives can't use the excuse that a black superhero is not marketable or bankable because the box office numbers speak for themselves. I have always paid attention to the character's race. I think it does matter within the context of the story and the characters. I'm not saying hollywood has to go out of their way to cater to every single race. However it is very nice to see heroes that aren't white. Because guess what? We have enough of them. It's time other races got represented as well. I'm a brown guy and there are pretty much no brown super heroes. Guys who look like me are usually potrayed as nerds, or terrorists who get killed in horrible ways by the white hero. Even when we are portrayed villains, We are not well written ones which would be fine. Instead we are potrayed as horribly two dimensional. Evil terrorist who hates freedom and wants to blow up America. Allah Akbar! People want their race to be potrayed in some sort of positive light and that's what it is all about. Yeah sure, we've had black superheroes like Blade, but come on the Blade movies came out 20 years ago. and He is more of an anti hero same with heroes like Spawn and Luke Cage. Black Panther is the first time where we had the classical idolized hero and he wasn't white for a change.


I'm still waiting for a brown super hero though.

 

[sempel]

Because we relate better, and connect better to characters who look like us. It's not just white people who go to watch movies. People want characters that THEY can identify with. it's an untapped market. and Hollywood executives can't use the excuse that a black superhero is not marketable or bankable because the box office numbers speak for themselves. I have always paid attention to the character's race. I think it does matter within the context of the story and the characters. I'm not saying hollywood has to go out of their way to cater to every single race. However it is very nice to see heroes that aren't white. Because guess what? We have enough of them. It's time other races got represented as well. I'm a brown guy and there are pretty much no brown super heroes. Guys who look like me are usually potrayed as nerds, or terrorists who get killed in horrible ways by the white hero. Even when we are portrayed villains, We are not well written ones which would be fine. Instead we are potrayed as horribly two dimensional. Evil terrorist who hates freedom and wants to blow up America. Allah Akbar! People want their race to be potrayed in some sort of positive light and that's what it is all about. Yeah sure, we've had black superheroes like Blade, but come on the Blade movies came out 20 years ago. and He is more of an anti hero same with heroes like Spawn and Luke Cage. Black Panther is the first time where we had the classical idolized hero and he wasn't white for a change.


I'm still waiting for a brown super hero though.

I don't disagree that brown people are stereotyped on the screen, as are East Asian people. Same is true of French, British, or pretty much any person who has a thick, noticeable accent and/or looks different. And while in some cases it's funny when that is the goal, in other cases it does a huge disservice to that particular race because it keeps re-enforcing stereotypes to the point where people sometimes make stupid jokes at your expense and your reply is "really, you think that's true?" I personally think Bollywood does a HUGE disservice to EI people as the majority of movies have the same type of characters. If Bollywood were to produce more content that is dramatic, removes the dancing and cheap jokes, people would perhaps see EI's in a different light (I know some movies are made but it's a small percentage).

I'll give you this. Having movies where the main character isn't stereotypical white guy is great for white people to open their eyes. I'll fully admit that some white people need exposure to a variety of ethnicities and need a little education. So having these types of characters is great for that reason.

I watched Luke Cage and enjoyed it. I'm not black. I didn't feel this barrier when it comes to relating to him. I watched Jessica Jones. I'm not a woman. Same thing - no issue with respect to relating or needing to relate.