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BREAKING NEWS: Israel has just attacked Iran

jalimon

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Thats how you interpret all this, and thats because you dont like Trump.

Even if the strikes were not completely successfull, Trump has said he'll just hit them again.
And again, and again, and again......if need be 🤜

Trump will tacos :ROFLMAO:

Trump has been a fraud since the late 80s. Born a fraud, live as a fraud, and will die a fraud.

There is way too many sketchy things around this bombing not to understand it's a complete stage. Hey to be honest, if it ends up working and bringing peace, I will be the first to congratulate the fraudster 😷
 

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richaceg

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I'm certain it is. It has the same outline as a standard 7.62 mm NATO slug. The IDF uses 7.62mm, and even 50 cal but 5.56 mm is most common. Neither of the other rounds have this shape/proportions.

BTW, 7.62 is the metric equiv of .30 cal. ie: 0.30" diameter
eitherway, a slug doesn't stay in shape after impact. unless it's all flesh and by then, it would've exited the body. Frank at it again with volume tweets he has no knowledge about...
 

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So we are learning now that the bombs did not destroy Iran's nuclear site, as Dump has said.

After Trump's fake staged assassination attempts, who is surprised? This was all staged? Make sense.

Trump was, I must admit, the early star of reality tv. He knows is way around fake, lie, and corruption ;)
Kamala lost...we're in Iran-Israel/US now...
 

richaceg

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The message is you need nukes or you will be attacked.
The NPT won't save you.
Treaties and talks won't save you.

Only if you have the bomb are you safe from american or Israeli attacks.

well done
Israel got Nukes and still get attacked...
 

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CNN and NY Times claim the Iran airstrikes were unsuccessfull, except they wont name their sources :D 🤡

Phil, would you bet 100K on Trump's word that they have been destroyed? I am not claiming they have or have not, I'd prefer to wait for the proper intel to come out but since you're a Trumper, would you put 100K on his word? It's a yes or no question.

Secondly, why would CNN ever reveal a source? One, so they can have that source skewered by the Clown Administration and 2) nobody ever to come forward again with info, so again, second question, why would any news organization ever reveal a source?
 

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CNN and NY Times claim the Iran airstrikes were unsuccessfull, except they wont name their sources :D 🤡

We will never get true confirmation on what the scale of destruction was as it is all underground.
But if Iran were smart, and they wanted to develop nukes, then they would admit that their nuclear sites were completely destroyed even if it wasn't or only partially damaged.
But they seem to be big on saving face and have said they will continue enrichment.
 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. intelligence report suggests that Iran’s nuclear program has been set back only a few months after U.S. strikes and was not “completely and fully obliterated” as President Donald Trump has said, according to two people familiar with the early assessment.

The report issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency on Monday contradicts statements from Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the status of Iran’s nuclear facilities. According to the people, the report found that while the Sunday strikes at the Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan nuclear sites did significant damage, the facilities were not totally destroyed. The people were not authorized to address the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The U.S. has held out hope of restarting negotiations with Iran to convince it to give up its nuclear program entirely, but some experts fear that the U.S. strikes — and the potential of Iran retaining some of its capabilities — could push Tehran toward developing a functioning weapon.




The assessment also suggests that at least some of Iran’s highly enriched uranium, necessary for creating a nuclear weapon, was moved out of multiple sites before the U.S. strikes and survived, and it found that Iran’s centrifuges, which are required to further enrich uranium to weapons-grade levels, are largely intact, according to the people.




At the deeply buried Fordo uranium enrichment plant, where U.S. B-2 stealth bombers dropped several 30,000-pound bunker-buster bombs, the entrance collapsed and infrastructure was damaged, but the underground infrastructure was not destroyed, the assessment found. The people said that intelligence officials had warned of such an outcome in previous assessments ahead of the strike on Fordo.



The White House pushes back
The White House rejected the DIA assessment, calling it “flat-out wrong,” and Trump defended his characterization of the strike’s impact.

“It was obliteration, and you’ll see that,” Trump told reporters while attending the NATO summit in the Netherlands. He said the intelligence was “very inconclusive” and described media outlets as “scum” for reporting on it.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who was also at the NATO summit, said there would be an investigation into how the intelligence assessment leaked and dismissed it as “preliminary” and “low confidence.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said “these leakers are professional stabbers.”

The CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment on the DIA assessment. The ODNI coordinates the work of the nation’s 18 intelligence agencies, including the DIA, which is the intelligence arm of the Defense Department, responsible for producing intelligence on foreign militaries and the capabilities of adversaries. The Israeli government also has not released any official assessments of the U.S. strikes.

Trump special envoy Steve Witkoff, who said he has read damage assessment reports from U.S. intelligence and other nations, reiterated Tuesday night that the strikes had deprived Iran of the ability to develop a weapon and called it outrageous that the U.S. assessment was shared with reporters.


“It’s treasonous so it ought to be investigated,” Witkoff said on Fox News Channel.

Trump has said in comments and posts on social media in recent days, including Tuesday, that the strike left the sites in Iran “totally destroyed” and that Iran will never rebuild its nuclear facilities.

Netanyahu said in a televised statement on Tuesday that, “For dozens of years I promised you that Iran would not have nuclear weapons and indeed ... we brought to ruin Iran’s nuclear program.” He said the U.S. joining Israel was “historic” and thanked Trump.

The intelligence assessment was first reported by CNN on Tuesday.

Outside experts had suspected Iran had likely already hidden the core components of its nuclear program as it stared down the possibility that American bunker-buster bombs could be used on its nuclear sites.

Bulldozers and trucks visible in satellite imagery taken just days before the strikes have fueled speculation among experts that Iran may have transferred its half-ton stockpile of enriched uranium to an unknown location. And the incomplete destruction of the nuclear sites could still leave the country with the capacity to spin up weapons-grade uranium and develop a bomb.




Iran has maintained that its nuclear program is peaceful, but it has enriched significant quantities of uranium beyond the levels required for any civilian use. The U.S. and others assessed prior to the U.S. strikes that Iran’s theocratic leadership had not yet ordered the country to pursue an operational nuclear weapon, but the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly warned that Iran has enough enriched uranium to make several nuclear bombs should it choose to do so.




Vice President JD Vance said in a Monday interview on Fox News Channel that even if Iran is still in control of its stockpile of 408.6 kilograms (900.8 pounds) of enriched uranium, which is just short of weapons-grade, the U.S. has cut off Iran’s ability to convert it to a nuclear weapon.

“If they have 60% enriched uranium, but they don’t have the ability to enrich it to 90%, and, further, they don’t have the ability to convert that to a nuclear weapon, that is mission success. That is the obliteration of their nuclear program, which is why the president, I think, rightly is using that term,” Vance said.


Approximately 42 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium is theoretically enough to produce one atomic bomb if enriched further to 90%, according to the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

What experts say
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi informed U.N. nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi on June 13 — the day Israel launched its military campaign against Iran — that Tehran would “adopt special measures to protect our nuclear equipment and materials.”

American satellite imagery and analysis firm Maxar Technologies said its satellites photographed trucks and bulldozers at the Fordo site beginning on June 19, three days before the Americans struck.

Subsequent imagery “revealed that the tunnel entrances into the underground complex had been sealed off with dirt prior to the U.S. airstrikes,” said Stephen Wood, senior director at Maxar. “We believe that some of the trucks seen on 19 June were carrying dirt to be used as part of that operation.”

Some experts say those trucks could also have been used to move out Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile.

“It is plausible that Iran moved the material enriched to 60% out of Fordo and loaded it on a truck,” said Eric Brewer, a former U.S. intelligence analyst and now deputy vice president at the Nuclear Threat Initiative.

Iran could also have moved other equipment, including centrifuges, he said, noting that while enriched uranium, which is stored in fortified canisters, is relatively easy to transport, delicate centrifuges are more challenging to move without inflicting damage.

Apart from its enriched uranium stockpile, over the past four years Iran has produced the centrifuges key to enrichment without oversight from the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

Iran also announced on June 12 that it has built and will activate a third nuclear enrichment facility. IAEA chief Grossi said the facility was located in Isfahan, a place where Iran has several other nuclear sites. After being bombarded by both the Israelis and the Americans, it is unclear if, or how quickly, Isfahan’s facilities, including tunnels, could become operational.

But given all of the equipment and material likely still under Iran’s control, this offers Tehran “a pretty solid foundation for a reconstituted covert program and for getting a bomb,” Brewer said.

Kelsey Davenport, director for nonproliferation policy at the Arms Control Association, a nonpartisan policy center, said that “if Iran had already diverted its centrifuges,” it can “build a covert enrichment facility with a small footprint and inject the 60% gas into those centrifuges and quickly enrich to weapons grade levels.”

But Brewer also underlined that if Iran launched a covert nuclear program, it would do so at a disadvantage, having lost to Israeli and American strikes vital equipment and personnel that are crucial for turning the enriched uranium into a functional nuclear weapon.


 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Phil, would you bet 100K on Trump's word that they have been destroyed? I am not claiming they have or have not, I'd prefer to wait for the proper intel to come out but since you're a Trumper, would you put 100K on his word? It's a yes or no question
No. But not for the reasons you might think

Secondly, why would CNN ever reveal a source? One, so they can have that source skewered by the Clown Administration and 2) nobody ever to come forward again with info, so again, second question, why would any news organization ever reveal a source?
CNN has spewed plenty of bullshit in the past, while hiding behind the "anonymous sources" excuse.
If an anonymous source got caught leaking classified information to the press, they'd be jailed on the spot.

You might not like Trump, but he has the intelligence apparatus of the entire US armed forces at his disposal, and I trust that process a lot more than I trust CNN/PMSNBC/NYTimes
 
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Of course it is a FMJ round. I know firearms, and a little bit about xrays. Both medical and industrial (welding inspections). My first thought was that it must be a VERY powerful machine to differentiate between the copper jacket and lead core... and why would a radiologist expose a human to such a powerful dose of radiation such that it could differentiate between metals. So I sent the twitter post to an MD friend (a retired Qatari surgeon with military experience in Iraq) and he just replied, "Faked, notice the black outline and multiple exposures layered.".

But you are missing the point Frank. I'm all for exposing the horrific atrocities and human suffering. But be wary of over-sensationalized propaganda.
I appreciate that you took the time to check it with an expert.I also admit that I'm not an expert in this area. Yet I still am taking issue with you declaring this is propaganda.
For instance, compare the xitter post to the image from this Guardian piece on MSF reporting on a shooting in Sudan. The bullet and xray look very similar. What makes one appear faked to you and one reported as real?

 
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We will never get true confirmation on what the scale of destruction was as it is all underground.
But if Iran were smart, and they wanted to develop nukes, then they would admit that their nuclear sites were completely destroyed even if it wasn't or only partially damaged.
But they seem to be big on saving face and have said they will continue enrichment.
Which is what is happening, they are declaring their sites were hit hard but also saying they are now suspending agreement with the IAEA.
The hardliners in Iran now have an excuse to crack down on dissent and will be emboldened to stay in power. They now have to decide whether to build a nuke to stop further attacks.
Israel realizes that they can bomb Iran but they can't stop their missiles.

There will be both a nuclear and missile race in the middle east now, just as there is now a race for NATO to spend more.
Nobody will trust treaties with the US or Israel and international law and rule has become ineffective.

Iran proved that Israel can be stopped and that treaties aren't the way.
Massive failure.


Baghaei says it’s ‘natural’ for Iran to reconsider ties with IAEA

Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei tells Al Jazeera Iran’s parliament has voted to suspend – but not end – cooperation with the UN’s nuclear watchdog.
The legislation “talks about suspending, not putting an end to the cooperation”, he explained. “Don’t you think it is only natural for the representatives of a nation that has come under an egregious act of aggression to reconsider the way they have been dealing with the IAEA?”
Baghaei went on to say the bill sets conditions for Iran’s future engagement with the IAEA, including guarantees for the safety and security of Iranian scientists and nuclear facilities. It also calls for respect for Iran’s rights under the NPT, the international treaty under which non-nuclear-weapon states commit not to pursue nuclear arms but have the right to develop peaceful nuclear energy, he said.
“If we are going to be a responsible member of the NPT, we have to be able to enjoy the rights that are afforded to every state of this treaty,” added Baghaei.
 
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richaceg

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Trump winning is a hard pill to swallow for the democrats and their Media support...they will of course grasp at every straw just to tarnish Trump...because admitting it was successful meant they surrender to Trump and admit he's the right guy for the job...watching the news last night and this morning...I was laughing at the scenario on terb as I was sipping my coffee...i was asking myself " which snowflake will post exactly what I'm hearing from CNN about the Nuke site?" Mandrill did not disappoint...

 
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Trump winning is a hard pill to swallow for the democrats and their Media support...they will of course grasp at every straw just to tarnish Trump...because admitting it was successful meant they surrender to Trump and admit he's the right guy for the job...watching the news last night and this morning...I was laughing at the scenario on terb as I was sipping my coffee...i was asking myself " which snowflake will post exactly what I'm hearing from CNN about the Nuke site?" Mandrill did not disappoint...

So you're happy that Iran will now build a nuke and refuse IAEA inspections?

 
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I appreciate that you took the time to check it with an expert.I also admit that I'm not an expert in this area. Yet I still am taking issue with you declaring this is propaganda.
For instance, compare the xitter post to the image from this Guardian piece on MSF reporting on a shooting in Sudan. The bullet and xray look very similar. What makes one appear faked to you and one reported as real?

TBH, nothing to be gained by going into this more.
 
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