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frankcastle said:
Whoisyourdaddy,

Also, keep in mind there are degrees of severity and obviously for you diet coke was not a difficult habit to break. I did not suggest that all habits are hard to break, that's why I picked things like sex, masterbation, and hobbying since this is a erotic review board.
I would not say drinking almost 3000 cans of Diet Coke was merely a "habit". It was not easy to kick my dependence on caffeine. I had terrible cravings which I overcame. I see it now for the disease that it was.. and now I am cured!
 

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jwmorrice said:
It might have been helpful had you suggested that he seek professional help. That would be respectful of his adult status.
jwm
I don't understand. Was that not the point I was making, that Ray seek professional help ? Several years ago when I was in College me and my buddies used to get kicked out of bars all the time for drinking one too many.
Were the bar owners being disrespectful of our adult status ? I think not.

Unfortunately, people under the influence sometimes lack the ability to make their own decisions.
I suppose that goes without saying.
 

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Fred:

If you don't see that there's a world of difference between suggesting that a person seek help and, in effect, telling a person to get help, I don't think there's much more I can say.

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Fred Zed said:
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Call someone and get some help today.
I am cancelling your TERB account today. Don't come back to TERB until you get some help.
I am sorry to say that you might have to cancell a lot of accounts, cause half of the members here are substance users.The only thing is they would never admit it.
 

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jwmorrice said:
Fred:

If you don't see that there's a world of difference between suggesting that a person seek help and, in effect, telling a person to get help, I don't think there's much more I can say.

jwm
Yep..all this is neither here nor there really. What counts is that he gets help.
How to get him to do that is the question. I don't think you have all the answers to that question, neither have I. A professional might be able to help him.
 

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WhOiSyOdAdDy? said:
I would not say drinking almost 3000 cans of Diet Coke was merely a "habit". It was not easy to kick my dependence on caffeine. I had terrible cravings which I overcame. I see it now for the disease that it was.. and now I am cured!
Way to go WIYD.... what you did took alot of courage and willpower. We are all proud of you for your bravery.... how long have you been on the wagon???

Did you contact coca cola about your disease? were they able to provide any help or did you have to go throught it all by your self?
 

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WhOiSyOdAdDy? said:
I don't know where you guys are hanging out.. but in my 30+ years, I have only been offered coke for sale once in Colombia and seen one person do it once here, 15 years ago.

Dude, coke has made a come back in a big way - it's worst now then the 80's, everyone and their grandmothers seems to be doing rails - as far as getting it, it seems like you can get it at any bar in toronto especially with the film festival going on.
 

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Fred Zed said:
All I am asking is for him to call a professional such as in the links posted by NiteHwk below. As long as he confirms that he has spoken to someone ( he can email me ) I will be gald to allow him back. I realize suspending him may be a bit harsh, but I truly have his best interests in mind. Talking to a professional might be the first step on his road to recovery.

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Having had more experience with coke than I would like to admit I don't think you are right in this matter.
I know you mean well but you can't force a person to seek help. I think it's better to keep the dialogue with him open on terb . I think by now he realizes that people recommend he seek help but I know from personal experience an addict only seeks help when HE OR SHE decide themselves that they want to stop.
 

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booboobear said:
I know you mean well but you can't force a person to seek help. I think it's better to keep the dialogue with him open on terb .
Good point - I am by no means "forcing" him to seek help. I have no power to do that. I realize that ultimately it's entirely up to him as to what he decides to do about the problem.
 

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Good point - I am by no means "forcing" him to seek help. I have no power to do that. I realize that ultimately it's entirely up to him as to what he decides to do about the problem.

That is true but I didn't think not using coke was a prerequisite of being a terb member.
Like someone else said many of us have or are using coke.
Like I said I know first hand what coke is like and it ultimately brings no good , it's NOT glamorous but people have to find that out themselves and I don't think banning someone is helpful.
 

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Since this thread is about Coke, thought I'd ask the males of the board a question:

Why is it, that so many clients who like to party and use blow call over SP's and act surprised and frustrated when things wont work?

I mean, giving a cbj for 45 minutes straight to no avail can be just as frustrating to the SP too.

You guys end up calling a lot of different girls over one after anolther, or extending with the one girl into all hours of the night, in hopes that it may work. In the end, you seem upset, like you wasted your money or something.

NEWS FLASH It probably won't until you give your nose a rest for a few hours. :eek:

Any thoughts?
 

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Interesting thread. Throwing in my 2 cents.

On Fred’s decision, there is no room for 3rd party judgements on right or wrong to banning the guy. It’s Fred’s world, he makes the rules. The guy is a coke-head who comes on the board blathering about it and Fred blitzed him. I agreed with it after I thought about ‘why’, but that’s beside the point.

I found it interesting his observation about why he pays his rent. It was a meaningful expression about what’s important in his life and why. Imagine the world we would live in if the majority of people lived this way. Nope, not for me, especially when traveling by air…

I’ve seen the drug’s presence all my life. Cousins, friends, associates, professional people, lawyers, doctors, nurses, coke abuse runs the gamut. I hear coke is making a come back, and that's bad for us all. Personally I’ve done coke a few times, on rare occasions when someone twisted my arm, sometimes not even much. The high is wonderful. It doesn’t take much research to learn why. It’s the vasopresin

Vasopressin is a brain hormone that is released by the pituitary gland. It improves attention, concentration, memory retention, and recall (both short-term and long-term). Vasopressin facilitates more effective learning by helping to "imprint" new information in the memory centers of the brain, a function which cannot be achieved without the action of vasopressin. Cocaine, LSD, amphetamines, Ritalin, and Cylert (pemoline) cause a release of vasopressin. Frequent use of these drugs can deplete levels of vasopressin with a result of making you slow and dopey.”

Now, the problem. Vasopressin is manufactured in the pituitary in small quantities at a more or less fixed rate. As more and more is called for from the pituitary gland, the manufacture of Vasopressin slows down. The result is that you get less and less of a bang out of the coke. The side effects of coke abuse lead to Vasopressin depletion, which leads to brain chemistry imbalances, and probably (guessing) why the depression sets in.

Coke is a beautiful feeling for a short period but unfortunately it is a threat to the user, and ultimately a threat to society’s welfare. As this board is not a therapy board for Lotus Eaters on their way to burnout and self destruction, I have no issues about seeing someone banned who comes on grandstanding over his habit. Do I care about the poster’s well being? I’d be a hypocrite if I said so.

His life is making a beeline for the drain. I think it's useful to others to know about it, to understand why, and to avoid the same fate where possible.
 

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No slippery slope here

kkarn said:
Yeah, that's pretty much the entrance to the slippery slope that Fred is engaging in.

kkarn/
I think the one on the slippery slope is Ray. Did I ever promise anyone that I would be consistent in my decisions ? I am sure he will be back some day, hopefully with some good news. I don't know why you guys are making a big deal about the suspension. I think gaining access to this site is the least one of his worries right now.
 

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Fred Zed said:
I think the one on the slippery slope is Ray. Did I ever promise anyone that I would be consistent in my decisions ? I am sure he will be back some day, hopefully with some good news. I don't know why you guys are making a big deal about the suspension. I think gaining access to this site is the least one of his worries right now.
Fred, dont be ridiculous, he'll just come back on a different handle
 

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Fred Zed said:
Did I ever promise anyone that I would be consistent in my decisions ?
No, but don't expect a lot of sympathy if you abandon even a pretence of fairness in your treatment of others.

jwm
 

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Mcluhan said:
The high is wonderful. It doesn’t take much research to learn why. It’s the vasopresin
Vasopressin doesn't give you a "high"... it's created in the hypothallamus, stored in the petuitary gland, and serves primarily renal (excretion) functions.

There is some evidence that it plays a function with memory, but researchers don't know exactly how (unscrupulous marketers are using this "fact" as a way of selling it as a "smart drug", for athletes and those people who want to be a little brighter for a while). Hence, it may have a role in creating addictive patterns (under the big assumption that addiction is memory-based), but it certainly won't make you high, and it isn't why cocaine or speed makes you high.

It will make you thirsty, and will keep you from pissing. But it won't make you smarter. And it won't make you a better athlete. It doesn't treat (or affect) depression. And - I repeat - it won't make you high.


(...just in case someone decided they want to use it...).
 

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Vasopressin doesn't give you a "high"... it's created in the hypothallamus, stored in the petuitary gland, and serves primarily renal (excretion) functions.

There is some evidence that it plays a function with memory, but researchers don't know exactly how (unscrupulous marketers are using this "fact" as a way of selling it as a "smart drug", for athletes and those people who want to be a little brighter for a while). Hence, it may have a role in creating addictive patterns (under the big assumption that addiction is memory-based), but it certainly won't make you high, and it isn't why cocaine or speed makes you high.

It will make you thirsty, and will keep you from pissing. But it won't make you smarter. And it won't make you a better athlete. It doesn't treat (or affect) depression. And - I repeat - it won't make you high.


(...just in case someone decided they want to use it...).
Not sure what your source is on this, clinical studies or whatever, but my information comes from an article I read many years ago, I think it was in a medical journal, but I can’t be sure. Anyway, the article was very detailed and precise on the effects of cocain use and vasopressin and after reading it I discussed the topic with the head the Pharmacy dept at a Hospital where I was employed. According to the article it disagrees with your info (and you may very well be correct). The article went on to explain how cocaine triggers the release of Vasopressin and that it is the Vasopressin which creates the feeling of euphoria, quickens the senses, and is a body defense mechanism which among other things catalyses the synaptic transmission, which leads to ability to think more rapidly. The suggestion was, to aid survival when quick thinking is required. One of us is wrong. If you are a specialist in this field you are speaking with more authority than I.
 

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Mcluhan said:
Not sure what your source is on this, clinical studies or whatever, but my information comes from an article I read many years ago, I think it was in a medical journal, but I can’t be sure. Anyway, the article was very detailed and precise on the effects of cocain use and vasopressin and after reading it I discussed the topic with the head the Pharmacy dept at a Hospital where I was employed. According to the article it disagrees with your info (and you may very well be correct). The article went on to explain how cocaine triggers the release of Vasopressin...
It may, although I admit I've never heard that. These drugs affect many brain chemicals to one degree or another, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Mcluhan said:
...and that it is the Vasopressin which creates the feeling of euphoria, quickens the senses, and is a body defense mechanism which among other things catalyses the synaptic transmission, which leads to ability to think more rapidly. The suggestion was, to aid survival when quick thinking is required.
These things are attributed to dopamine (a different brain chemical, also created in the hypothallamus and stored in the petuitary). The drugs you have listed (blow, crank, acid, etc.) all tend to target dopamine functions in one respect or another... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

Mcluhan said:
One of us is wrong. If you are a specialist in this field you are speaking with more authority than I.
I am well read on the topics (a former hobby, you might say), but I would be open to updated research to the contrary. I suspect you just have the name wrong, because what you describe is what dopamine does, so aside from the name, I would agree with everything you said....


I guess it doesn't matter in that sense... I only worry that people might turn to the "snakeoil salesmen" pushing drugs intended for a type of diabetes (the only approved use for vasopressin) as a "brain pill", athletic enhancer, or narcotic, is all....

:)
 
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