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There has been several threads on the Caledonia affair, none of which stick around long before disappearing. My guess is someone on the editorial board and/or one of the moderators has a native background or ties to the native community. After all, if it was just a matter of specific posts being offensive, the individual posts could be removed, right?
I heard many Caledonia residents last night on CKCO-TV almost begging people to stay away from the "freedom march" and mind their own business. The last thing the people of Caledonia need is for "the native to get restless" again. Nobody will be able to get into Tim Horton's or Canadian Tire because the road will be blocked by burning tires and hydro poles.
You can easily stop the occupation of Caledonia. Stop issuing welfare and unemployment cheques to natives who are "illegally" occupying the land. They can't protest if they have to work for a living. Everyone goes home peacefully. There I solved the problem.
'Nuf.
You can easily stop the occupation of Caledonia. Stop issuing welfare and unemployment cheques to natives who are "illegally" occupying the land. They can't protest if they have to work for a living. Everyone goes home peacefully. There I solved the problem.
'Nuf.I'm not entirely up to speed on this issue, but why would you want to participate in this? From what I've read the residents wish all those wanting to join in this march would just stay home, and that the guy organizing it is an outsider who doesn't live there. Seems to be a bit like throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire.Kathleen said:
Then why prey tell do you ( or who ever the case may be) wipe out the entire thread rather than the offending posts?Sheik said:
I had asked that question almost 5 months ago after a previous thread on Caledonia had vanished in to thin air. BTW post # 19
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=119298
So how about it, he who is inferior to Strongbeau as defined by dictionary.com (third one)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sheik
Kathleen, I can agree with you up to these two lines:
Its not just the occupying that is the problem, its the utter terrorism that is being caused.
Calling it terrorism is unfair. I do not agree with the way these land claim issues have been handled, and I find that too often they become political landmines for the people in power at the time. Therefore it's hard to act.
No one wants Ipperwash 2..
Having said that, the First Nations and their Lawyers are simply doing what past governments/courts/law enforcement have allowed them to do. In a previous thread, I had mentioned that then only place that Natives can possibly make a claim for land rights should be Africa (the birthplace of Humans). Can anyone provide info on what Act/Treaty/Contract many of these claims are based on????
Kathleen, lets say that you can prove that in 1802 your great, great, great, great grandpappy purchased land from the Cdn Govt. The land covered the area that is now Yonge/Bay/Front/Wellington, and is estimated to be worth
55,000,000. The land was taken away from your relatives by the govt shortly after the start of WW2, and was then purchased by whomever owns it now.
Would you not want some compensation for it???? If many many many other cases had been fought and won (so you have precedence), would you not fight for your money???
I think that it's time Canadians did request/demand some form of settlement to all land claims based on some compromised economic solution.
Market Value for these lands is not appropriate because if they were still in Native Hands they would not likely be worth a fraction of their current value. We should also recoup all the money from Welfare and Subsidy payments to natives if we are going to purchase their land in todays money.
In Caledonia, I think that the govt should cover the value money spent on developing pay off the home owners and move/level all homes built there. Finally, return the land to the natives and allow them to try to sell the land or develop it themselves.
Its not just the occupying that is the problem, its the utter terrorism that is being caused.
Calling it terrorism is unfair. I do not agree with the way these land claim issues have been handled, and I find that too often they become political landmines for the people in power at the time. Therefore it's hard to act.
No one wants Ipperwash 2..
Having said that, the First Nations and their Lawyers are simply doing what past governments/courts/law enforcement have allowed them to do. In a previous thread, I had mentioned that then only place that Natives can possibly make a claim for land rights should be Africa (the birthplace of Humans). Can anyone provide info on what Act/Treaty/Contract many of these claims are based on????
Kathleen, lets say that you can prove that in 1802 your great, great, great, great grandpappy purchased land from the Cdn Govt. The land covered the area that is now Yonge/Bay/Front/Wellington, and is estimated to be worth
55,000,000. The land was taken away from your relatives by the govt shortly after the start of WW2, and was then purchased by whomever owns it now.
Would you not want some compensation for it???? If many many many other cases had been fought and won (so you have precedence), would you not fight for your money???
I think that it's time Canadians did request/demand some form of settlement to all land claims based on some compromised economic solution.
Market Value for these lands is not appropriate because if they were still in Native Hands they would not likely be worth a fraction of their current value. We should also recoup all the money from Welfare and Subsidy payments to natives if we are going to purchase their land in todays money.
In Caledonia, I think that the govt should cover the value money spent on developing pay off the home owners and move/level all homes built there. Finally, return the land to the natives and allow them to try to sell the land or develop it themselves.
Possibly a matter of semantics...
...I think "terrorism" is improperly used here....I understand your frustration, Kathleen, with the actions of the native groups in this dispute. In today's society, however, "terrorism" conjurs images of not only destruction of prorerty, but death as well. The natives have not crossed this line as yet, although I'm sure there is some fear of that as this situation escalates. I don;t know what the approriate word is instead of terrorism...Disruption??...Destruction??...but terrorism is not the correct one ...
N2G
slowandeasy said:
...I think "terrorism" is improperly used here....I understand your frustration, Kathleen, with the actions of the native groups in this dispute. In today's society, however, "terrorism" conjurs images of not only destruction of prorerty, but death as well. The natives have not crossed this line as yet, although I'm sure there is some fear of that as this situation escalates. I don;t know what the approriate word is instead of terrorism...Disruption??...Destruction??...but terrorism is not the correct one ...
N2G
the warriors are surely not good guys i wanted to go to the march but was very unsure of what the police would do because of differnt sets of laws for whites and indains.i was also afraid of the warriors not face to face but the fact the are heavily armed.
Maybe all the "natives" will make like the Big Bad Wolf. That way they can Huff and Puff and go away. Remember to serve premium, it shows you care.
Before all the "superior white people" get going too fast in this thread, I hope they will reflect on fact that Canada routinely every year is condemned by international organizations for the way it treats its aboriginal people.
Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.
Shame on Canada.
Today the ombudsmand for the correctional system in Canada presented a report that concluded that the correctional system had systemic racism towards aboriginal people. In the west, 60% of inmates are aboriginal. Countrywide, an aboriginal is 9 times more likely to be in prison than the average canadian.
Shame on Canada.
It's OK. As Kathleen has pointed out, whites have set the bar and all those other races are just pulling us down. That white people in North America still largely own the bar in the first place, and in many ways set it where we please, seems to be lost on her.danmand said:
