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I been thinking of getting one this Boxing day or January.

I hit so many webforums that I narrow it down to 3 sites.
But one stood out the most with general info.

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.ca/S-7StdCtkFPvy/learningcenter/home/

but before you buy one check the web for people who have bought the model you decide on see what problems they had.

I will go with HD [high def] miniDV tapes Camcoder.
 

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xix said:
I will go with HD [high def] miniDV tapes Camcoder.
Thought Camcorders with HDD was the way to go.
Why do you like miniDV tapes?
 
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Hey xix, your link doesn't seem to tell us which models you are looking at?

I recently bought a Sony HDR-SR8, an HD model with an internal 100Gb drive. I'm quite happy with it - although I haven't done much HD shooting yet since I don't have a blu-ray burner to burn the final product to. Also, f'ng Sony charges an outrageous price for their custom HDMI cable to connect the camera to another HD device such as your TV.

There is one slight problem with the HDD cameras generally, & mine displays this - the compression used to stream the data to the disk does introduce the jaggies - especially in high contrast & fast moving situations - e.g. shooting someone playing tennis, there's obvious staircasing happening along the outline of the arm and racket when you step frame-by-frame.

If you have any questions about the Sony HDR family, I can try to answer.
 

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There is

poonhunter said:
I don't think there are any HD camcorders with miniDV "tapes" :confused:

but a good site forum to look in imo

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/
There is HD_miniDV camcorders.
Every manufacture has one.
The HD signal is saved on the miniDV. HArd to believe but they use that tape.
Check Wikipedia and these sites:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/
check the forums
http://www.dv.com/
http://www.afterbang.co.uk/2006/11/hdd-or-minidv.php
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=799216
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic289671.html
http://www.videomaker.com/


The biggest complaints I have heard and read are:
- micrphone pick up can't be close to the manual/automatic zoom lense it will p/u the motor noise.
- HDD and DISC has a hard time with fast action motion, sports
- HDD compression is not great and will not allow you to edit the file unless you have the latest software, adobe premier, or IMac
- HDD if you loose it
- HDD only good for home to record then you have to dump the file if you take a trip you have to take a laptop with you.
- Lighting is important so check the Lumina/Luminance rating.
- viewfinder will save battery life instead of the LCD.
- make sure that it can record HD and standard TV, some can on the same cam
- Some can take pictures while recording video but the picture gets save on the compact flash.
- miniDV can be bought any where
- audio inputs would be good if you ever buy a remote mic
- Make sure it has stereo recording or surround, surround is to add a 2nd track
- must have firewire
- if it less than $500-600 it will be regular standard TV not HD.


PERFECT pros and cons from a semi-pro
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7594_102-0.html?forumID=59&threadID=243414&messageID=2461932

or better yet:
http://thedvshow.com/faq-pro/index.php?action=article&cat_id=022&id=489


This link will show the difference between the medias

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.ca/learningcenter/home/camcorderintro.html?page=2

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.ca/S-7StdCtkFPvy/learningcenter/home/minidv.html

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.ca/learningcenter/home/camcorderintro.html



Probably the best web page with Glossary

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.ca/S-NdBXb5b9Qtg/learningcenter/home/tv_glossary.html

I am not going with $ony.

MAybe Panasonic or Canon I will see. I read somewhere JVC has a HD miniDV but not so great rating.
 
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WoodPeckr said:
Thought Camcorders with HDD was the way to go.
Why do you like miniDV tapes?
Linux may work with miniDV
There is a magazine [chapters] titled Linux Format or Pro.
Quarterly they have a specialty issue about a topic. Book writing, Web Page creation... etc and now they have one on video/audio.

Pretty much Studio64 can do all of the sound but MythTV is need for Video.
So Ubuntu Studio is a combo of both.

They describe how to transfer the file from DV to HDD on you computer.
look for it.
 

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Thanks for the info.
 

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Reviews of Cam

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/JVC-GZ-HD7-Camcorder-Review/Comparisons--Conclusion.htm#


Conclusion
2007 has been an exciting - and confounding - year for consumer HD. It is exciting because never before have there been so many HD camcorders from the big four manufacturers, JVC, Panasonic, Sony, and Canon. Not only are there more HD camcorders than ever before, they record to practically every media type available in several HD compression flavors. But it has been a confounding year, as well, For the first time, just making sense of the plethora of HD models and codecs out there is a challenge. What's worse, many models are so close – yet so far – from delivering the whole package. The Canon HV20 is a stellar stripped-down camcorder that delivers great performance at a bargain price, but its construction feels disconcertingly cheap. The Sony HDR-HC7 is loaded with features and feels great in hand, but toggling between manual control options using the Cam Control dial is too slow. The Panasonic HDC-SD1 is very elegantly designed and performs well, but lacks several features that are standard-issue on HD cams from the competition, including an accessory shoe and viewfinder.

The much-anticipated JVC GZ-HD7 (Review, Specs, Recent News, $1529) is another case of so-close-yet-so-far. It is the only consumer camcorder that feels and handles much like a prosumer model, with dedicated buttons for manual controls, an excellent focus ring, and an excellent Focus Assist. It includes a very nice removable lens hood, feels balanced in-hand, and is generally very good ergonomically. On top of all these great attributes, the HD7 is an HDD-based camcorder, allowing for day-long shoots without having to keep track of media, or laboriously digitize footage. Yet, for a device that looks and feels like a mini-prosumer cam, the absence of a headphone jack audio level adjustments is surprising and disappointing.

JVC has also made some compromises in terms of video performance. On balance we like the look of the HD7's footage, but its very saturated and its resolution is lower than any HD camcorder we've tested this year. HD7 owners are also finding that MPEG-2 Transport Stream video is not as easy to work with as promised. That relegates the HD7 to a kind of post-production purgatory like AVCHD camcorders - easy to shoot with, but a bear to edit.

The JVC GZ-HD7 is great in many ways - and its prosumer-like handling is a real pleasure. However, to really take advantage of all it has to offer, you would need to invest in an external audio mixer to allow audio monitoring and level control, the HD Share Station for convenient video archiving, and perhaps an extended life battery. 2007 is the year consumer HD has really arrived - and the HD7 is a big part of that. It is one of several strong contenders out there, including the Sony HDR-HC7, Canon HV20, and Panasonic HDC-SD1, but there's still no clear winner among them for all-around performance, convenience and speed.
 

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Rockslinger said:
Can't you use a regular DVD writer? Have you seen the SR 11?
You can save HD video from a miniDV in raw format onto a DVD disc. Later down the road you can transer it to a Bluray disc by decrypting the files.
 

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Easy way to decide for Camcorder

I think this would make life easy to decide.

www.henrys.ca

from the options look for CAMCORDERS

then set your price options. [ anything less than 500 is not HD format]

Don't go with AVCHD encoding,encryption, the latest software cannot or has a hard time decoding.

New camcorders are released in April from all mfg. I seen a Popular article in June for a Sony pro cam $3500, at the Sony store last week same cam $1200 not highly recommened either.

After you think you decided on a cam open another tab and see if there are any reviews on the model you have chosen and what some peeople think of it.

I am still sticking to miniDV. 1080p . although it may disappear some time in the next couple of years according to some people/reviewers.

Edit :
Read this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD

Good education. I was wrong about 1080i but 1080p solves some problems.
 

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Rockslinger said:
I currently have a non-HD Mini DV camcorder. Will I notice much of a difference with an HD camcorder?
Do you notice the difference between VHS vs DVD or VHS vs Blu-Ray, or DVD vs BR?

If you already have one don't buy till another couple of years. I don't have one and only post it for those that might be looking like me.
 

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After a lot of research, I bought the Sony HDR-SR12 120gb Harddrive cam:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291496

It's the best bang for your buck. You can film in HD with the new video codec AVCHD or work in standard def with MPEG2.

You're future proofing if you get an AVCHD camera and more and more software editing programs are supporting it. And if you have a computer with more than 2gigs of ram, you won't have trouble rendering HD video.

If you want to buy the Sony HDR-S12, I recommend Future Shop. It's $1099!

Also, you can burn HD content on a regular DVD disc, but it will only playback on a Blu-ray player. If you don't have a Blu-ray player yet, then continue to film in standard video using your HD camera. Looks amazing nonetheless.

Lastly, if you're interested in purchasing a mini-hdmi and hdmi cable to hook up your HD cam to your Hi-Def TV, then look no further than Monoprice. They have high quality cables for less.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10242&cs_id=1024201&p_id=3645&seq=1&format=2

I bought mine there for $13 Canadian. You can't beat that anywhere in Canada. The cheapest here I found was about $36 Canadian after taxes.
 

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MixedNuts said:
If you want to buy the Sony HDR-S12, I recommend Future Shop. It's $1099!
The Sony HDR-S12 is a highly recommended model. How is its performance now that you have one? Are you downloading onto a regular DVD recorder?
 

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MixedNuts said:
If you want to buy the Sony HDR-S12, I recommend Future Shop. It's $1099!
I thought I saw a Sony camcorder in the Future Shop flyer for $949. Is it the same one as the SR12?
 

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Rockslinger said:
The Sony HDR-S12 is a highly recommended model. How is its performance now that you have one? Are you downloading onto a regular DVD recorder?
It performs well. I haven't toyed with the HD part much. I'm getting an iMac soon to do that, but standard def works beautifully and the image quality is impressive.
 

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Rockslinger said:
I thought I saw a Sony camcorder in the Future Shop flyer for $949. Is it the same one as the SR12?
Yeah, they reduced the price of the SR12, so now's a good time to buy.

Needless to say that I'll be returning to Future Shop to get a credit. I purchased my S12 within the last 30 days.
 

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MixedNuts said:
Needless to say that I'll be returning to Future Shop to get a credit. I purchased my S12 within the last 30 days.
Good for you. Some credit cards also have a price guarantee (within limits) as well as additional warranty.
 
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