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blackrock13

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The NDP would be a disaster but it might be ok if they self destruct while in power for a short period a la Rae's provincial government. They barely have enough people that can read and write to form a shadow cabinet much less a real one.

The only thing for certain is that this will be Iggy's last campaign as leader. When you do worse than Stephane (call me Celine) Dion your longevity is marked in weeks. Perhaps a Tobin or a Manley can save this beleagured brand.

This whole scenerio is not dissimilar to what happened to the British Liberal Party after WW1.

Amusing to see the Liberal attack ads focused squarely on Layton now.
Check out a past post on Gary Doer and see if that's always the case. Better yet read some other material on him and his tenure as Premier. As stated earlier most past NDP provincial governments have had a balanced or near balanced administration, but i guess you missed that in class.
 

FOOTSNIFFER

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the liberals are lost and confused, the cons are anti-democratic assholes, ...so i guess that leaves jack to carry the ball ........fasten your seatbelts.
pithy but correct.

For all of you fearing that the sky will fall with NDP participation in the government, may I remind you that it was with NDP cooperation that the Libs brought in old age pensions and medicare, policies that have hardly resulted in the destruction of the country.
 

mandrill

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The Liberal-NDP alliance is overdue. When Chretien pissed away the Lib hegemony in Quebec, that party was left with a stronghold in Southern Ontario and nothing else. That was enough to allow them to block Harpo's majority bids, but to progress no further. Iggy was a predictably disastrous choice - a TO intellectual for a party which desperately needed to reach out to other regions of the country and conjure up grassroots support out of nothing to make the Libs viable again.

The NDP needs credibility in the slightly-left-of-centre voter spectrum. The Libs just need to survive outside of TO, MTL and Vanc. As it is now, they just split the anti-Harpo vote and impede each other.

Layton would be a GREAT PM in a minority govt! He's new, refreshing and a short first term of office would keep the NDP back benchers firmly under control and restrain them from doing anything even remotely far-left. And Harpo does sweet FA for Ontario and brings an out of date Prairie small town set of attitudes to social issues like prostitution that is holding the country back.
 

moviefan

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Right now I bet Iggy would love to remind voters of the NDP government in Ontario but that would be hard to do with Bob Rae now a top liberal.
LOL. Yes, Iggy's definitely struggling to find a way to turn this thing around.

I chuckled at his comment the other day warning people not to vote for "amateur hour":

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...nce+fiction+says+Ignatieff/4665019/story.html.

I hope Iggy hasn't forgotten that he's the most inexperienced of the five major leaders running in this election.
 

nottyboi

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LOL. Yes, Iggy's definitely struggling to find a way to turn this thing around.

I chuckled at his comment the other day warning people not to vote for "amateur hour":

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...nce+fiction+says+Ignatieff/4665019/story.html.

I hope Iggy hasn't forgotten that he's the most inexperienced of the five major leaders running in this election.
That is true, but in terms of depth of experience, Iggy can draw from quite a number of experienced hands for his cabinet.
 

landscaper

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Again... I predict that Bob Rae will, post election, spearhead the unification of the NDP and the Liberal party. He can credibly lead a united "Liberal Democrat" party.

Unless of course Layton wins and becomes PM, in which case the LD unification will be put off until the future.
Rae has a major problem in Ontario people remember what he did when in power, the only real Liberal base left is toronto, I do not think the party power brokers will allow that to happen. If the Liberals lose seats or even if they don't materially gain Ignatief is done, look to Dominic Leblanc to run for and win the leadership
 

blackrock13

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Rae has a major problem in Ontario people remember what he did when in power, the only real Liberal base left is toronto, I do not think the party power brokers will allow that to happen. If the Liberals lose seats or even if they don't materially gain Ignatief is done, look to Dominic Leblanc to run for and win the leadership
Only stupid people think they remember and won't let it happen, unfortunately.
 

landscaper

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From what i have heard and read the bulk of the numbers jump is from Quebec, he still trails evedrywhere else. The NDP and the Bloc both carry basically the same platform , the bloc's problem this time out is that they have no real issue to scream about, the party base is not happy and will in the tradition of Quebec voters park their votes in the next best place.
 

moviefan

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Rumour has it that Harris Decima and/or Ipsos has the NDP in the lead. Unconfirmed, but Harper would shit himself if true. It probably doesn't help Harper that seems to have a new minor scandle everyday.
Ipsos has a poll out this evening that says Layton is the top choice for "best prime minister." This story doesn't have any details on how that affects the parties' standings:

http://www.canada.com/news/decision...rper+best+things+done+poll/4685426/story.html

We'll see what happens.
 

K Douglas

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This is simply a case of premature eJackuLayton. Voters will wake up once they are at the ballot box. Remember the polls for the mayor last year. Most had it a close race yet Ford lambasted Smithers on election night. I hope the Conservatives get their needed majority but I forsee the status quo yet again.
 

dcbogey

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From what i have heard and read the bulk of the numbers jump is from Quebec, he still trails evedrywhere else. The NDP and the Bloc both carry basically the same platform , the bloc's problem this time out is that they have no real issue to scream about, the party base is not happy and will in the tradition of Quebec voters park their votes in the next best place.
Exactly right, except you forgot to and the "for now" at the end. Quebec voters can be a fickle bunch, and that can be a good thing.
 

omegaphallic

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wigglee

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i entered this campaign thinking liberal, but i needed so see iggy in action......iggy has blown it badly, not delved into any substance and done a really bad jesse jackson impersonation. I have never and will never vote for the cons, so now i'm gonna give my vote to the ndp and hope for the best (that jack won't spend us into the poorhouse in the first year.)
 
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