Canada - Welcome to Socialism - Suck/tax till we dry

[train]

You need to learn to debate on one plain at a time. You can debate philosophy, you can debate policy, you can debate tactics and strategy, you can debate personalities but you need to learn to debate them one level at a time. Mixing them all up is less than undergraduate, it is high school.

As is using the word plain when you should use plane.

I wouldn't be so quick to be critical when you have yet to win a debate of substance yourself because you inevitably have to resort to fractured facts.

If you think $800 for a 3 bedroom is fair market value in Toronto ( even in 1988) then you clearly are not as bright as you think you are and should not be insulting other members.

 

[Mrbig1949]

The coops are required to put 3/4 of their units up at "the low end of market rent". I have been to that apt. $800 is what it was worth.

BTW I have won all of the debates I have participated in so far. It wasn't even close.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Now at least you and I have something in common. 100% with you on this. In these countries, at least they use tax payers money for the real public services. You should see public transportation in these countries. Sometimes I wonder why TTC always has a slogan "TTC the better way". Maybe the TTC union boss has been stuffed so much of tax payers money in his shit hole. Therefore he is too heavy to go to the other side of the world and see things for himself. They should change to "TTC the shit hole that sucks everything from tax payers and spits out nothing"

If you feel so strongly about it you should move to a scandinavian country.

It would be a win-win. You get to live in a better country and we won't have to listen to any more of your mindless, semi-coherent tirades.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Canada is rapidly becoming a Social Democratic country. This is great. Nobody needs to move to Sweden it is coming to us.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Canada is rapidly becoming a Social Democratic country. This is great. Nobody needs to move to Sweden it is coming to us.

Then it may be time for me to leave.

 

[Mrbig1949]

For those that don't want Social Democracy the USA will be the last ridout but you have tied your rowboat to the Titanic. Good luck with that.

 

[train]

The coops are required to put 3/4 of their units up at "the low end of market rent". I have been to that apt. $800 is what it was worth.

BTW I have won all of the debates I have participated in so far. It wasn't even close.

Nice to see the meds are keeping you in a happy place.

 

[Gyaos]

I think Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney, David Miller and Dalton Mcguinty are the biggest asses.

That's it? I thought the list was MUCH larger. You better watch the next Question Time to Harpo. The asses exist on all sides of the bench. I'm surprised Martin didn't make your list.

Gyaos Baltar.

 

[Mrbig1949]

You have no idea how happy I am....

Nice to see the meds are keeping you in a happy place.

It is great to visit wonderful girls.

It is great to be retired and do whatever I want.

It is great to win the debates on terb.

It is great to live in BC whenever the weather here sucks.

It is great to play golf when the courses are not busy.

It is great to make money from 3 companies all web based so I can make a few clicks on the lap top for extra dough.

Life is good, now if I could just make time stand still.

Lots of sweet young SPs say it must be nice to have your life, big house, fancy car. I tell them sweetie you can have it all if you will give me your age again.

 

[blackrock13]

It is great to visit wonderful girls.

It is great to be retired and do whatever I want.

It is great to win the debates on terb.

It is great to live in BC whenever the weather here sucks.

It is great to play golf when the courses are not busy.

It is great to make money from 3 companies all web based so I can make a few clicks on the lap top for extra dough.

Life is good, now if I could just make time stand still.

Lots of sweet young SPs say it must be nice to have your life, big house, fancy car. I tell them sweetie you can have it all if you will give me your age again.

Train;

I knew it, he operates one of those degrees by mail schools, he's a driver/chauffeur- kind of anything/anyone/anywhere for a buck, and he runs a travel agency specializing in renegade golf by flashlight.

That explains so much.

 

[Mrbig1949]

That is actually funny...

Train;

I knew it, he operate one of those degrees by mail schools, he's a driver/chauffeur- kind of anything/anyone/anywhere for a buck, and he runs travel agency specializing in renegade golf by flashlight.

That explains so much.

See I can take it, I'm not that thin skinned.

 

[markvee]

We have agreed to do all of these socialist things together through the democratic process. You must be sadly naive to believe it can be done voluntarily. I would love to unvolunteer to pay for wars but sadly I need to use the slow route of democracy o end them.

If four people approached you on the street and voted themselves the contents of your wallet then you would not call it taxation in a democracy. Rather, you would call it what it is, theft.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Are you finished with high school

If four people approached you on the street and voted themselves the contents of your wallet then you would not call it taxation in a democracy. Rather, you would call it what it is, theft.

That is the last time I heard that argument

 

[wet_suit_one]

You can't go to Afghanistan to get away from Canadian government because Afghanistan is under Canadian occupation (and occupation by other NATO countries).

That's fucking funny. Do you really think Canuck troops are there collecting taxes?

Just smile and wave for chrissakes and our boys and girls in uniform will simply move along and leave you alone. Heck, being Canucks, they'd probably ask you if you need help. But collect taxes? Get real...

As for the other person above who said I was defeatist (what a strange thing to say IMHO), am I somehow mistaken about how this is the best system going in the world? Am I mistaken that Canada is one of the best countries to live in, with one of the best possible governments (all things considered) on the corruption front?

I never said don't strive for perfection (at least not explicitly), but I for my part have better things to do than waste my breath on aiming for a perfect system of government and perfect people in government (i.e. no corruption) when governments are filled with human beings who are, being human and incapable of getting over that fact, egoists, grasping, greedy, stupid and everything else under the sun.

On the corruption front (and government generally, as well as decency of society to live in), Canada is about as good as it gets. We ought to continue towards keeping this the case and making things better, but let's not pretend like we live in a kleptocracy.

Open your eyes folks and learn about some of the other places on Earth (and not just anecdotal accounts of how nice the people are in North Korea or Zimbabwe). Many of them are shitholes. Many of them are thieving murderous shitholes. Some of them are even worse than that.

Somehow, this comment reminds me of how someone was suggest that living in the anarchy of Somalia was better than Canada because there was no government whatsoever for the last two decades. Absolutely stupid.

Anyways... Time for another cold one.

 

[markvee]

That is the last time I heard that argument

What was the counter that you heard to that argument?

 

[markvee]

That's fucking funny. Do you really think Canuck troops are there collecting taxes?

Just smile and wave for chrissakes and our boys and girls in uniform will simply move along and leave you alone. Heck, being Canucks, they'd probably ask you if you need help. But collect taxes? Get real...

...

I never said don't strive for perfection (at least not explicitly), but I for my part have better things to do than waste my breath on aiming for a perfect system of government and perfect people in government (i.e. no corruption) when governments are filled with human beings who are, being human and incapable of getting over that fact, egoists, grasping, greedy, stupid and everything else under the sun.

On the corruption front (and government generally, as well as decency of society to live in), Canada is about as good as it gets. We ought to continue towards keeping this the case and making things better, but let's not pretend like we live in a kleptocracy.

Open your eyes folks and learn about some of the other places on Earth (and not just anecdotal accounts of how nice the people are in North Korea or Zimbabwe). Many of them are shitholes. Many of them are thieving murderous shitholes. Some of them are even worse than that.

Somehow, this comment reminds me of how someone was suggest that living in the anarchy of Somalia was better than Canada because there was no government whatsoever for the last two decades. Absolutely stupid.

Anyways... Time for another cold one.

I think that those who sent Canuck troops to Afghanistan are making poor use of Canadian tax dollars by intefering with the self-determination of the Afghan people.

I think that kleptocracy is a good synonym for taxation in a democracy with different governments in different countries employing the same technique of taxation to varying degrees.

The comparison for Somalia should really be comparing Somalia to itself when it had stronger versus weaker central government.

But I don't think that I should be asked to move to Afghansitan or Somalia anymore than a statist should be asked to move to North Korea or Cuba. If procurement of funds by coercion is immoral then it is immoral for both governments as well as for ordinary people. It is not the moral obligation of the robbed to leave. It is the moral obligation of the robber to stop robbing.

 

[Mrbig1949]

We live in a democratic society we would not have it any other way. The people speak through their elected representitives and set the tax rate for various classes of individuals and business.

Personally I have in the past made very high incomes although I have retired from those jobs, When I made $180 000 per year and was taxed about
$70 000 I gladly paid it because I did not consider the part that was taxed was ever mine in the first place. The affluent would be much better of to consider only their after tax money as ever having been their money, they were just holding it until tax time.

 

[markvee]

We live in a democratic society we would not have it any other way. The people speak through their elected representitives and set the tax rate for various classes of individuals and business.

You presume that we would not have it any other way.

Being a member of the democratic society in which we live is not a voluntary option from which we can freely opt out.

The government ultimately prevents secession in the same manner that it prevents tax avoidance, by coercion.

 

[Mrbig1949]

You have total freedom of speech but.....

You presume that we would not have it any other way.

Being a member of the democratic society in which we live is not a voluntary option from which we can freely opt out.

The government ultimately prevents secession in the same manner that it prevents tax avoidance, by coercion.

I seriously doubt that 2% of the population agrees with your perspective which I see as to the right of the Libertarian position. Good luck with that. It will be lonely out there. When you grow up we will gladly welcome you back to the community of people who actually care about each other not just about themselves.

 

[markvee]

I seriously doubt that 2% of the population agrees with your perspective which I see as to the right of the Libertarian position. Good luck with that. It will be lonely out there. When you grow up we will gladly welcome you back to the community of people who actually care about each other not just about themselves.

How do you connect denouncing institutionalized coercion with not caring about others?