Canadian Poll: Is this type of immigrant desirable in Canada?

[Mcluhan]

A member of this board recently posted this material below as an attack on Canada. The poster is an Immigrant presumably here on landed status. If this person, or anyone like-minded to this individual applies for Canadian citizenship, are you in favour of Citizenship being granted?

Oh Canada

8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.
From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times greater.

6. Health Care Crisis.
Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and there is a cap on their salaries.

5. Very High Taxes.
Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter, it's Canada.

4. Money Hungry Government.
Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want them to come to Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived, these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000. Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

3. No Culture.
Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture. Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves with the country they 'originally' came from.

2. Worst Weather.
Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc. From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

1. No Jobs.
Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified (MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs, delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation. This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.

 

[gypsy121]

8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.

Having dealt with the immigration system for other people (I was born here) I have to agree with him on this one.

7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.

Be interested to know where he got this info? Obviously doesn't travel to Europe very often.

6. Health Care Crisis.

I agree. There is no reason we couldn't have a system in place to help foreign doctors qualify in a timely fashion. I have lived abroad and have never had an issue with seeing a doctor in those countries. On the other hand I have had a few completely crap doctors trained in Canada.

5. Very High Taxes.

See #7. Our taxes only seem very high compared to Americans.

4. Money Hungry Government.

All governments are money hungry...is this news to someone?

3. No Culture.

I guess that depends on how one defines culture. In most countries in the world I believe they are soccer crazy. Did each country develop this independantly? As in most countries you might have to ask about the culture of the indigenous populate. I would say that Native Canadians have a very distinct culture.

2. Worst Weather.

Hard to argue with this one.

1. No Jobs.

I don't know what it is like to be an immigrant looking for a job but overall the employment situation in Canada is quite good. (Although if you work for General Motors today you may disagree.) I am sure it is more difficult for an immigrant to find good work in Canada. I suspect this is the same for much of the world. I don't know that there is an answer to this unfortunately. I suppose many immigrants come here with their children in mind. The first generation in all likelihood will have it very hard but their children can hope for something better.

 

[langeweile]

Ehmmm..

*walks off and bites his tongue*













WTF for clarity sake

www.notcanada.com

The above post was reproduced(and put in quotes) form the above website, and does not (well not all of it) reflect the full opinion of the poster

 

[langeweile]

On a seperate note

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Or is it only free when it reflects the opinion of those in power?

 

[DAMON789]

Wow

There was a program on W-5 or 60 min just like this on the weekend.
One example that might have to be looked at is STANDARDS. I dont disagree that some of the people that come over here are qualified mabey even over qualified but if the standards dont match ours then its back to square one..I disagree that there are no jobs too, there are lots of jobs just not a whole lot here in Ontario. Me being a union construction worker knows that Alberta is going to be BOOMING for years to come. I do think it is unfair if they are being lied to by our fantastic government. I think Canadas biggest need for workers is in the constuction industry. In our union in particular the average age is 59, so whats that mean in 5-10 years, i also am pretty sure our sister locals are in the same boat as well..

 

[Asterix]

Lang, a simple question. Why did you move up to Canada from the US in the first place?

 

[Svend]

There's room for improvement in this country. I say we welcome all comments if they are constructive and respectful, outsiders often have a fresh perspective.

 

[Truncador]

I have no opinion, pass the bong

Who in Canada would use a bong when they can buy Aquafuge rolling papers instead of that horrendous rice paper they use to roll joints in the USA

 

[langeweile]

Lang, a simple question. Why did you move up to Canada from the US in the first place?

Good question.

In my ignorance I didn't realize how much different Canada is from the USA. In my own limited mind I thought it was very much like the USA. I never had a positive or a negative view of Canada, indifference is the right word.

So when somebody ask me to participate in a business venture with him I agreed. Thinking only in $$$ signs.

Having said that, let me assure you that some of my remarks are purposely over the top..no really?
Canada reminds me in many ways of my old home Germany. In general i just have a distaste for a goverment that puts its nose in to many parts of my life..and grabs deeper and deeper in to my back pocket.
That's the poltical side.

On a personal note. I had a lot of difficulties, mostly related to my family, living in QC. I moved to ON and things have improved.

I still get the occassional asshole, like some on this board here, that spew their anti-american shit at me.Or on my wife or on my kids. Fortunately those people only represent 10%.
In general I find Canadians to be honest, fair, proud and very good people. A little more formal than Americans, but nice neverthenless, once you get passsed the surface.

I don't necessarily dislike Canada I just miss my new home the USA. Many times I just get sick of being hit over the head for being American, and I hit back.

Sorry for the longwinded answer.

 

[Asterix]

Not too longwinded an answer at all. I was just curious. Sounds like you'd be happier moving back here, although why you would want to go to Texas is completely beyond me. I can understand how Canada may not have been what you expected, but then what place is. Just don't tell me the weather thing never crossed your mind.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I don't care what anyone says. I've been here all my life and it's farking cold.

 

[langeweile]

Not too longwinded an answer at all. I was just curious. Sounds like you'd be happier moving back here, although why you would want to go to Texas is completely beyond me. I can understand how Canada may not have been what you expected, but then what place is. Just don't tell me the weather thing never crossed your mind.

Ever lived in Texas?
Great place. Nice people, great weather, low taxes and good food.

In general weather doesn't bother me that much. I have lived in Chicago and trust me it gets cold there.

 

[Mcluhan]

There's room for improvement in this country. I say we welcome all comments if they are constructive and respectful, outsiders often have a fresh perspective.

I agree, and what do you say as regards someone, a visitor who disrespects your country, and say dumps trash into your oceans and lakes?

 

[jeanius]

canada is always busy getting ready for now.. that's all these old guys care about... "staying in power".. they could careless about the future.

 

[pro419]

Canada is great country

Yes, Canada is very great country and canadians are honest people as well, however recently i seen some signs that the canadian government is becoming less honest and money hungry establishment with less services. concerning job opportunities, yes its tough for immigrants to get jobs in their fields, i think the government should introduce some programms to intigrate these new professionals into the canadian system instead just leaving them at the mercy of the job market. in terms of canadian culture, yes canada have great culture, its not clear to some but its there, canada is a peacefull country, hospitable, and still have good reputation abroad not like the fellows to the south.

its known that every where in the world what measures is whom you know not whom u are, and that could make lot of diffirence. yes, some people are not fortunate to live in canada as they used to live in their homeland, but its the same everywhere, nothing is easy, every thing requires hard work and patience, canada have lot of opportunities for families and job and education. other than that there is nothing i could say about canada but say god bless canada.

pro419

 

[danmand]

On the basis of having started this offensive thread, I nominate McLuhan to the honor of Terb asshat of the year 2005. I doubt very much that a more moronic post will appear before the end of the year.

Mcluhan has in earlier posts shown his bigoted views towards immigrants in general and towards oriental immigrants in particular.

He also succeded in making Langeweile a martyr, a task I hereto would have
thought improbable.

 

[Mcluhan]

On the basis of having started this offensive thread, I nominate McLuhan to the honor of Terb asshat of the year 2005. I doubt very much that a more moronic post will appear before the end of the year.

Mcluhan has in earlier posts shown his bigoted views towards immigrants in general and towards oriental immigrants in particular.

He also succeded in making Langeweile a martyr, a task I hereto would have
thought improbable.

Feel free to judge me on points 1 and 3. live it up. It might be the only thing I win this year.

On point 2, the racist deal, get a life. if you can't make a point without slandering someone with a lie, pissoff. If you keep repeating the lie it will invoke stronger language. I suggest you don't keep that up...

 

[langeweile]

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He also succeded in making Langeweile a martyr, a task I hereto would have
thought improbable.

Now..now aren't you going a bit too far now??

 

[danmand]

Feel free to judge me on points 1 and 3. live it up. It might be the only thing I win this year.

On point 2, the racist deal, get a life. if you can't make a point without slandering someone with a lie, pissoff. If you keep repeating the lie it will invoke stronger language. I suggest you don't keep that up...

I am actually happy that you are pissed off about the "bigot" designation; that likely means that did not do it consciously, and that there therefore is hope for you. Let me help you understand where you inadvertendly went wrong:
I do not for a moment believe that you can give credible evidence for your slanderous [and I would use the word bigoted] claim that 93.3% of insurance claims where you lived were made by asians. I know that because nobody in Canada is keeping that kind of profiling statistics.

I have lived in a city where immigrant driving habits are a problem - in fact so bad that 14 of 15 insurance claims where I lived, (amongst a population that was 30% Chinese) where claims made by Asians. A high proportion tend to be REALLY SHITTY drivers in that part of the land. It doesn't mean they are hateful, despicable people. It means they have a problem with driving in Canada compared to the norm – compared to ‘my’ expectation of the norm.

 

[Mcluhan]

I am actually happy that you are pissed off about the "bigot" designation; that likely means that did not do it consciously, and that there therefore is hope for you.
But I do not for a moment believe that you can give credible evidence for your slanderous [and I would use the word bigoted] claim that 93.3% of insurance claims where you lived were made by asians. I know that because nobody in Canada is keeping that kind of profiling statistics.

You also do not know people in the ICBC claims department, nor Bustor's towing, nor the claim repair shops. Like I said you have your opinion, I have my facts and my opinion - go get some facts yourself, and you are entitled. Until then, shaddup.

Chinese are very sensible people. Find one 2nd generation Chinese driving the streets of vancover that has children that disagrees with the restrictions on immigrants driving licensing regulations - good luck.