Cari sexy o.u. girl from C.L.

[rofobo]

Of course you can't always know, but here's your break;

Once you do know, then make choices accordingly. Not rocket science. That's what this board is all about, sharing information.

In fact I find it relatively easy to tell the SP's who are doing it because they enjoy it. They aren't high or drunk when you see them, the have interests outside of the business, even other jobs. Most importantly, they tend to be good at what they do. Once you become a customer who can appreciate the difference you'll understand what I mean.

It's unfortunate you see yourself as a customer who "has made a deal with the devil" or is by definition exploiting women because you see SPs. This is an all to common mindset, one that society teaches us. In large part the fact that you ( and many others ) see yourself this way perpetuates the problem. When you see yourself as a "bad" person because you see escorts, it's pretty hard not to see the escort as "bad" as well. The practical upshot of that is that it becomes very easy to justify all kinds of terrible things happening to them, being exploited, beat up...etc.

It all comes down to respect. Respect for yourself first of all, and then the idea that everyone else, escorts included, deserve the same respect.

I sincerely hope this doesn't come as a radical idea,

T2

Nice psycho babble. But it's still all a load of crap. I know of few and I mean very few women and by very few I mean almost none who are in this for the sheer joy of servicing men. It's an economic choice brought on by desperation in most cases. As far as enjoying it, some have made an accomodation with themselves so that they don't hate it, but I can't believe having sex with someone just because he pays for it can be that much of a high for them. But thats OK, if it will soothe your mind continue to believe as you do. The vaste majority of women caught up in the sex trade do it because they have no choice. To state that you have the abilty to choose ones who are OK with it, and therefore are not expoiting women in the industry is facetious. It's like the drug trade, you can't selectively support only good dealers without supporting the junkies out there as well. As long as you vote with your dollars, it's all the same.

Now if you were tellng me that in your spare time you were campaigning to legalise the sex trade and lobbying for workers benefits for sex trade workers, you might have a leg to stand on. But somehow, I don't think so.

At least I'm honest with the choices I've made. And please don't tell me I hate myself, thats my mothers job.

 

[twizzler2]

I'm not telling you that you hate yourself,

We keep supporting an industry that does exploit its workers by paying for their services.

We all make a deal with the devil when we take up this hobby.

I don't doubt you're being honest with yourself, I'm sure you really feel that way. But as long as you're being honest, do you think the way you see escorts has a positive effect on your interactions with escorts or a negative one ? Wouldn't you prefer more, rather than less, positive experiences with escorts ? Wouldn't that be better for both escorts and their customers ?


As a customer I prefer positive experiences, it seems pretty straightforward to me.


T2

 

[Kubrickfan]

rofobo -- Welll, I'm one of the most polite people on this board, but you have caused me to finally get a bit critical. One of the really great things about this board is that you can go back and review prior postings every poster has made. At least under your name, there are NO reviews ... zip, zero, nada, none ... NONE ... EVER. You apparently have been around here for two years, and for all I know you see an escort every night, but you haven't bothered to share. Instead, you post such insightful topics as "why are Ottawa Escorts so ugly?" and nothing but other negative, insipid, holier than thou comments such as this current string. Shouldn't you try to be a bit positive now and then?

I would urge Twizzler to stop letting you egg him on. And, by the way, respectfully, when you go back and look at your posts, it sure seems to me that you don't seem like yourself very much.

I have been lucky to meet a number of wonderful ladies during my visits to Ottawa and Montreal and I have posted reviews of many of those. They have different stories, and some are more genuine than others, but I can state with absolute certainty that they are ALL beautiful, obviously some more so physically than others, and that --- most importantly --- I have without exception been treated well as I have always been careful to go out of my way to be a gentleman and completely respectful. Your posts are just full of a lot of negative energy, to say the least.

 

[Cowboy Kenny]

Guys, robofo is a troll, stop feeding him. Eventually, he will go away.

 

[sp free]

I can't believe I am reading this.

It is all about the money. I am sure no 20 year old WANTS a fat old bastard humping away on her.

I don't know Ray Wolfe, and other than what i have read here, I don't know a thing about him. I find it hard to believe that this guy is the bad pimp some make him out to be.

He has nice houses, cottages, cars, all the toys. If a girl gets swept up in that lifestyle, how is that his fault.

Everybody knows who he is, everybody knows that he is the porn guy or the escort guy. He ain't sneaking up on anyone.

If a girl is escorting against her will, that is one thing, but if she just likes the fast money, and parties...I'm not feeling sorry for her.

And, again, if you search this subject there is a post somewhere that says he has nothing to do with PK.

 

[Kubrickfan]

Thanks CK -- good idea. Looking forward to coming back to town next week!

 

[sysy3333]

Hey, I wanted Twizzler and Rofobo to keep debating. So far, no one had degraded into the "oh yea? well *&^% you" method, I thought they were raising very interesting points.

I want to hear more about Robofo's "deal with the devil" and I didn't think Twizzler was involved in "psycho babble" at all: both were, I thought, showing different ways of handling how a "hobbyist" (lovely unjudgemental term that!) handles this mentally, kinda two sides of the coin thing. Me, I'm wishy washy, I kinda flip backwards and forwards on this.

desreves a new topic though as we really wandered off here.

 

[benover]

Help

Mod. delete the thread all I wanted to know was how is this Cari girl,if she is not working any more then DELETE DELETE DELETE

 

[rofobo]

Guys, robofo is a troll, stop feeding him. Eventually, he will go away.

Nah. I have an exceptionally thick skin. I also have opinions and when I feel like expressing them I do. I have met some very nice girls in this hobby, and been treated well by most. BUT, if you really try and dig down you'll find the vaste majority aren't here because they want to be. My point is it's a cash business and you are delusional if you think theres any other reason these girls see you. It's a dirty business. People are killed, catch nasty deseases, get beaten up and are exploited by it all the time. So lets not make like it's a nice pretty world and we are just gentleman hobbyists spending time with charming young women who are dieing to see us. It is what it is. Own it. Don't duck that responsibility. Don't pretend it's something it's not.

To Kubrickfan. I could echo the reviews here for Kate, Carrie Moon, Alex Grenyait etc, but I've gotten nothing new to ad so I don't post. Also I feel kinda weird talking about what I've done with someone so I just lurk. Sorry if that aggravates you. But, if every once in a while I want to add something thats my right. If you don't like it, I'm OK with that, but I'll keep on saying it.

 

[Ladyluvr69]

benover send a PM to shiek to get it deleted

 

[northern_bear]

My goodness, aren't we being just a tad hypocritical here being that if you didn't use escorts then the problem wouldn't exist. We keep supporting an industry that does exploit its workers by paying for their services. We all exploit them as much as this guy does.

That is total B.S.!

Just because you make use of an industry, does not mean you support everything that happens in that industry. Nor does it mean you can't be selective about which companies in an industry you support, in order to encourage ethical business practices.

Some running shoes are manufactured in sweat shops. I don't boycott the entire running shoe industry just because SOME of the shoes are made in sweat shops. But I do try to avoid buying shoes that are made in sweat shops.

Some electronics companies manufacture land mines and nuclear weapons. That doesn't mean I should never buy any electonics. But I do refuse to buy electonics from companies that manufacture land mines & nuclear weapons.

Some women in this business are treated like crap by their employers. This doesn't mean Twizzler ought to boycott the business. But he does boycott those companies that treat their ladies like crap.

It isn't hypocritical. I find it to be an entirely logical, and ethical decision on his part. I commend him for it.

Every SP is in it for the money. But so is every mechanic. And every lawyer. And every garbage man. I'm not "using" an SP by paying for her services any more than I'm "using" my mechanic by paying for his services. In both cases, money is being exchanged for services, in a mutually beneficial transaction.

Problems occur not simply because women are exchanging their services for money. Problems occur when they are being forced to provide those services by a third party employer.

Twizzler doesn't like to take advantage of women who are being forced (or tricked) into providing their services by an unethical employer. Just like I wouldn't go to an auto shop if I knew that the mechanics who worked there were underpaid illegal immigrants (slave labour).

Whether you're talking about the SP industry, or any other industry, the problem isn't the people doing the work, and it isn't the customers. It's unethical employers. If customers can discourage unethical employers, by boycotting their products, then that's a good thing.

 

[Rocky Racoon]

I'm totally with twizzler2 and northern_bear on this.


BTW, I think this post should NOT be deleted. It offers an interesting and meaningful discussion on a topic entirely relevant to the hobby. Granted it highjacked the original subject, though... Maybe it could be continued on another thread if anyone has something else to add ?

 

[Cowboy Kenny]

I tried this weekend and it was nothing but a game of emails back and forth then nothing. She seemed pretty keen and then evaisive. The cowboy don't like it when my ladies run hot and cold like that. I tried reachin her again the following day shot her my digits and still no reply. I don't get it, what I do know is I've spent more than enough time on this one and got absolutley no where. So technicaly I tried but did not succeed. Guess she was intimidated by my horse.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

Guess she was intimidated by my horse.

uhhh, you didn't show her that pic of your cock did you?