Carney’s Liberals hold narrow lead over Conservatives as 2025 ends: poll

[DesRicardo]

I see, so this first post of yours was misinterpreted by everyone, you weren't complaining that the numbers were fake or not adding up, you were complaining that the media isn't selling a narrative of the Liberals in decline with these numbers, is that it?

Correct

 

[Valcazar]

Correct

-- OK, that makes that consistent, even if I think you are overselling this "decline".



To me that's a small bump in the summer that then goes back to the what it was after the election.

 

[DesRicardo]

To me that's a small bump in the summer that then goes back to the what it was after the election.

Yeah, a decline.

 

[squeezer]

Well done SuperCarney

Zelenskyy meeting with Carney in Halifax before Ukraine president’s talks with Trump in Florida
Canadian PM announces additional $2.5B of economic aid to assist Ukraine while @oil&gas whines a little more!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-zelenskyy-meeting-halifax-9.7028499

 

[Valcazar]

Yeah, a decline.

But your complaint is with the narrative, not the facts.

You want to sell this as "the Libs are in decline" but that's far from the only way to read the data.
Why should the MSM spin things the way you want it?

 

[Trevor Wong]

But your complaint is with the narrative, not the facts.

You want to sell this as "the Libs are in decline" but that's far from the only way to read the data.
Why should the MSM spin things the way you want it?

How can the libs be in decline, when their one seat away from a majority government. It was kind of ironic, that 2 PC MP's jumped over to the LIB side of the floor. This fact makes a LIB majority government, more and more possible. Who cares what the polls and Nik Nanos says?

 

[DesRicardo]

But your complaint is with the narrative, not the facts.

You want to sell this as "the Libs are in decline" but that's far from the only way to read the data.
Why should the MSM spin things the way you want it?

Let’s not complicate this. There is nothing wrong to say the liberals are declining in the polls.

 

[mig65]

I think you are in a bubble. My impression from my wide group of friends ranges from dislike(Cons), resignation(NDP), relief(Lib). After that all the non aligned ones are taking a wait and see, he gets a year, cautious optimism, cautious skepticism.

As for the press honestly are not nearly as relevant as you think. Social media has taken over, with both direct messaging, and independent influences having a greater impact than even 4 years ago.

Pierre did his best. Some of the failure is attributed to Trump. His own riding failure is clearly about his promise to cut the civil service in an Ottawa riding filled with them. But don't discount the respect Carney has.

No election is going to happen before next fall. No one has the money, the electorate is saved and doesn't want it, so honestly polling is not relevant at the moment.

Other than Public Service I don’t think people are relieved or happy with the Liberals. I’m flabbergasted that Trudeau lasted as long as he did. Cost of living & housing increased sharply. The immigration system bowed to corporate overlords & contributes to our housing & crime issues. The courts for what ever reason are soft on refugees when they commit a crime. Again Liberal appointed judges. Yes, PP is partly responsible for his loss. But the Liberals also gerrymandered his riding such that it became a majority Liberal riding. I really don’t think Carney is good for. Canada. He’ll just do what is best for his corporate brothers. I believe parliament only had 72 sessions since he was elected. The fewest ever. I’m tired of this government handing out money to useless, woke causes. We need to take care of our own first. While Trudeau is off partying there are people try to figure out where there going to sleep or eat. That is on the Liberals. No, not everyone is releived. Would it be different under the Conservatives? Probably not. But I do remember Harper during the 2015 debate. Everything he said about Trudeau came to be. Elbows up I guess.

 

[Frankfooter]

Let’s not complicate this. There is nothing wrong to say the liberals are declining in the polls.

There is nothing wrong in saying that MP's keep abandoning PeePee and the conservatives after he lost the election.

 

[Frankfooter]

Other than Public Service I don’t think people are relieved or happy with the Liberals. I’m flabbergasted that Trudeau lasted as long as he did. Cost of living & housing increased sharply. The immigration system bowed to corporate overlords & contributes to our housing & crime issues. The courts for what ever reason are soft on refugees when they commit a crime. Again Liberal appointed judges. Yes, PP is partly responsible for his loss. But the Liberals also gerrymandered his riding such that it became a majority Liberal riding. I really don’t think Carney is good for. Canada. He’ll just do what is best for his corporate brothers. I believe parliament only had 72 sessions since he was elected. The fewest ever. I’m tired of this government handing out money to useless, woke causes. We need to take care of our own first. While Trudeau is off partying there are people try to figure out where there going to sleep or eat. That is on the Liberals. No, not everyone is releived. Would it be different under the Conservatives? Probably not. But I do remember Harper during the 2015 debate. Everything he said about Trudeau came to be. Elbows up I guess.

The problem has not been the liberals, its been neoliberalism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2004961904654254346

 

[mig65]

The problem has not been the liberals, its been neoliberalism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2004961904654254346

This is Reagonomics trickle down. The start of the decline. Trudeau just accelerated this with his policies. With all its resources Canada should be much better off than it is.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is Reagonomics trickle down. The start of the decline. Trudeau just accelerated this with his policies. With all its resources Canada should be much better off than it is.

Every government since Reagan in North America has continued neoliberalism.
Its why we are screwed.

 

[Valcazar]

Let’s not complicate this. There is nothing wrong to say the liberals are declining in the polls.

Not particularly.
Mind you, you've shown three polls showing them holding steady.
They declined earlier.

But again, what is so interesting is you seem to be upset that people (especially the media) aren't adopting your narrative.

 

[Butler1000]

Other than Public Service I don’t think people are relieved or happy with the Liberals. I’m flabbergasted that Trudeau lasted as long as he did. Cost of living & housing increased sharply. The immigration system bowed to corporate overlords & contributes to our housing & crime issues. The courts for what ever reason are soft on refugees when they commit a crime. Again Liberal appointed judges. Yes, PP is partly responsible for his loss. But the Liberals also gerrymandered his riding such that it became a majority Liberal riding. I really don’t think Carney is good for. Canada. He’ll just do what is best for his corporate brothers. I believe parliament only had 72 sessions since he was elected. The fewest ever. I’m tired of this government handing out money to useless, woke causes. We need to take care of our own first. While Trudeau is off partying there are people try to figure out where there going to sleep or eat. That is on the Liberals. No, not everyone is releived. Would it be different under the Conservatives? Probably not. But I do remember Harper during the 2015 debate. Everything he said about Trudeau came to be. Elbows up I guess.

We don't have partisan gerrymandering in Canada. Elections Canada is an arms length body. What happened was P campaigned on massive reductions in the civil service in an Ottawa bedroom community. And what the hell else do you think will happen?

As for Carney ...I'm not sure what being in parliament will do at this point. We need to open trade deal doors world wide right now so best choice with his international contacts is him directly. Do I think Carney is a private equity dude? Absolutely. No question. But now the question is will he apply that ruthlessness to getting CANADA the best most lucrative deal. He has already had the career he wants and is wealthy, so I suppose now the question is, is he thinking in terms of LEGACY.

Only time and history will tell.

 

[DesRicardo]

Not particularly.
Mind you, you've shown three polls showing them holding steady.
They declined earlier.

But again, what is so interesting is you seem to be upset that people (especially the media) aren't adopting your narrative.

If you call dropping to a 3% to <1% lead holding steady, sure.

What's interesting to me is you seem to be uneasy with my narrative.

 

[Valcazar]

If you call dropping to a 3% to <1% lead holding steady, sure.

What's interesting to me is you seem to be uneasy with my narrative.

I find your narrative interesting.

"The lead the Libs had in the polling has declined since the summer" totally straightforward and obviously true.
But that's not enough for you.

Instead, it must still be going down, even though the polls show it has levelled off into the statistical tie it is, holding basically the same since October.

More interestingly, you posit that there is some kind of conspiracy by the MSM to hide this.
You seem upset by the counter-narrative someone like Trevor is pushing, where the fact there are defections show their political strength despite the polls.
The thread starts with "Things just don't add up. They just don't add up."

There's a real desperate energy here in _needing_ this to be true.
And, to be fair, it may well be. Their support could drop off a cliff in January.
It could even be the fascinating case of them dropping even further in support even as they get the majority. We don't know.

 

[DesRicardo]

I find your narrative interesting.

"The lead the Libs had in the polling has declined since the summer" totally straightforward and obviously true.
But that's not enough for you.

Instead, it must still be going down, even though the polls show it has levelled off into the statistical tie it is, holding basically the same since October.

More interestingly, you posit that there is some kind of conspiracy by the MSM to hide this.
You seem upset by the counter-narrative someone like Trevor is pushing, where the fact there are defections show their political strength despite the polls.
The thread starts with "Things just don't add up. They just don't add up."

There's a real desperate energy here in _needing_ this to be true.
And, to be fair, it may well be. Their support could drop off a cliff in January.
It could even be the fascinating case of them dropping even further in support even as they get the majority. We don't know.

I'm not going to lie to you. I didn't read any more than 2 lines of this.

You seem conflicted.

 

[Valcazar]

I'm not going to lie to you. I didn't read any more than 2 lines of this.

You seem conflicted.

You're trying very hard, aren't you?
Why are you so emotionally attached to this narrative?

 

[DesRicardo]

Other than Public Service I don’t think people are relieved or happy with the Liberals. I’m flabbergasted that Trudeau lasted as long as he did. Cost of living & housing increased sharply. The immigration system bowed to corporate overlords & contributes to our housing & crime issues. The courts for what ever reason are soft on refugees when they commit a crime. Again Liberal appointed judges. Yes, PP is partly responsible for his loss. But the Liberals also gerrymandered his riding such that it became a majority Liberal riding. I really don’t think Carney is good for. Canada. He’ll just do what is best for his corporate brothers. I believe parliament only had 72 sessions since he was elected. The fewest ever. I’m tired of this government handing out money to useless, woke causes. We need to take care of our own first. While Trudeau is off partying there are people try to figure out where there going to sleep or eat. That is on the Liberals. No, not everyone is releived. Would it be different under the Conservatives? Probably not. But I do remember Harper during the 2015 debate. Everything he said about Trudeau came to be. Elbows up I guess.

Even Public service workers are souring on Carney.

It's Crazy that the 2 main issues people voted for Carney on were dealing with Trump and managing the budget, which both he ended up being unimpressive.

By the time people wake up and see he's a puppet, it will be too late.

 

[DesRicardo]

You're trying very hard, aren't you?
Why are you so emotionally attached to this narrative?

I mean, do you want me to reply back?