I find it sad that you think the hard work should start now and that you won't admit that it should have been done during the first year of the genocide and the election.
People have been doing the hard work for decades. Dude.
I don't think it should "start now".
It started ages ago and is ongoing.
That you don't understand that is part of your problem.
We had this discussion through 2024 and not once did you think there should be any pressure to change the dems.
This is a change in direction from you.
I forgot.
You're completely delusional.
Everything that isn't "You agree with me totally in all ways about all tactics" is "You don't believe there should be any pressure".
trump was elected.
Denying that what you backed failed to win the election and that the largest protests since Floyd George might have impacted the election is magical thinking.
I've never once denied that they might have affected the election.
Everything affects an election.
We agree Trump got elected.
We disagreed about whether or not it would be a good thing.
Straw man argument, your specialty.
How can people have honest discussions with you when constantly use this tactic?
It's not my fault that you constantly say ridiculous things in sloppy ways?
But let's assume you actually wanted to say that your best hope of stopping what's going on in Gaza was to put pressure on Harris.
You failed.
Dramatically.
Your failure made things worse not just for other people but for Gaza.
You were told that was a the most likely result of your gamble.
You said anyone who pointed any of that out was morally culpable for genocide and valued American lives more than Palestinian ones.
If you honestly believed that the protests against Harris were your best chance, you would have argued differently as well, since you would have agreed that getting Trump elected meant you had blown your best chance.
The biggest chance for change over the last few years was riding the very massive and public protests against Biden's policy during 2024.
And that failed.
There were massive, public protests, and it didn't change the policy, it resulted --- according to you -- in getting Trump elected and making things worse and harder to fix.
You could argue that the dems have fallen apart and now would be a good time to rebuild them, if you were more interested in discussion than scoring points, but where is that pressure coming from now?
If I recall, you insisted it would happen magically.
They would lose and be forced to become anti-zionist to win elections in the future.
That
was the pressure.
The Dems losing was
explicitly part of your plan. Why are you worrying about where the pressure will come from now?
You had that figured out, remember?
Different issues.
Reform in the dems to back the more progressive policies that their voters back is possible, and now would be the time for the push for that to happen.
Reform from the Citizens United/plutocracy is less likely. But you might get someone who will push to replace some medicaid funding or another tax break on mortgages.
Why do you think those are different issues from "more progressive policy"?
I know your focus is on the best way to count the votes, but not on the systemic issues that are the real major problems.
That
is a systemic issue, Frank.
Good lord.
Even now you appear to be arguing for the status quo and not change.
As in:
Of course you think this is about siding with MTG and not support of the genocide.
That's your own bias and a prime example of you backing partisanship over policy. You say you back reform then try to declare its not right to vote based on issues, just party.
No.
That is me making fun of you for you not understanding what you're talking about and just being led around the nose by xitter.
Interesting isn't it that its the right wing who elevated AOC and now Mandami? It shows how messed up the dems are that they are afraid of being identified with someone who backs policies the people back.
Not really.
The Dem Leadership has its problems, yes.
But the right wing elevating these people - just as they have elevated lots of others you would dislike - comes from their command over the media environment.
AOC has stood out by way of her ability to take advantage of the spotlight they gave her.
We will see if Mandami will be able to do the same.
More the fact that Huey Long is a sidenote to history, to the point where you felt you had to even ask if I knew who he was.
There are no left wing heroes in the US, are there? There would never be a Robin Hood type, give it to the poor, type hero. Just more and more 'eat the rich', Bonny and Clyde antiheroes.
Do you think Huey Long should be a left-wing hero?
If this is the chance for reform, who will lead the dems and push for what voters want?
Good question.
Which leader will get in front of the movement and channel it?
Which think they can weld this part of the coalition to the broader coalition and move forward with success?
Lots of people vying for the role in various ways.
A problem, of course, remains that the general voter is not the primary voter.
And that most voters don't vote on policy.