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Butler1000

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Its not a lie, the intent is to reduce carbon, that has not changed. Other measures will be used to achieve the same goal. Less efficient measures.
What other measures? Why hasn't he announced them?

Oh wait, he hasn't actually ended the carbon tax either. Just paused it.
 

Skoob

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Its not a lie, the intent is to reduce carbon, that has not changed. Other measures will be used to achieve the same goal. Less efficient measures.
Other measures? Like renaming the carbon tax and bringing it back if he wins the election? Like when the climate is important again?
 

nottyboi

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Other measures? Like renaming the carbon tax and bringing it back if he wins the election? Like when the climate is important again?
Probably more will be collected upstream from major polluters. Climate change has not been taken of the agenda, where did he say that. All he said is that for now the economy will be the priority due to the tariff war imposed on Canada.
 

nottyboi

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Yeah sure...keep telling yourself that while believing you aren't brainwashed.
Harper actually prorogued it to avoid a defeat. Trudeau resigned, then prorogued it to allow for a leadership change before the election. If he had not done that we would have been in the middle of an election while the tariff war was unfolding and been in complete chaos. It was the responsible thing to do.
 
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Butler1000

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Yes, make sure you fill your tank early Monday, just in case the Liberals win. Hopefully not, but just a good risk measure.
I actually use my e bike in nicer weather. And a crapload cheaper.

I think he will hide it in increased fuel surcharges, hydrogen surcharge, and without checks going out. It will happen gradually.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I actually use my e bike in nicer weather. And a crapload cheaper.

I think he will hide it in increased fuel surcharges, hydrogen surcharge, and without checks going out. It will happen gradually.
So you mean anything that results in fuel price increases is because Carney is trying to hide the carbon tax in one surcharge or another?
 

Butler1000

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So you mean anything that results in fuel price increases is because Carney is trying to hide the carbon tax in one surcharge or another?
Obviously world oil prices are a factor. Guess what, they are dropping. So if the prices go up but oil prices don't, and its reported that surcharge are being added, what will you say then?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Obviously world oil prices are a factor. Guess what, they are dropping. So if the prices go up but oil prices don't, and its reported that surcharge are being added, what will you say then?
We will have to review why the surcharge is going up to comment at that time.
 

Skoob

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Probably more will be collected upstream from major polluters. Climate change has not been taken of the agenda, where did he say that. All he said is that for now the economy will be the priority due to the tariff war imposed on Canada.
You mean the economy wasn't the priority over the past decade because the budget balanced itself?

You're being played.
 

nottyboi

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You mean the economy wasn't the priority over the past decade because the budget balanced itself?

You're being played.
The economy was very good for most of Trudeaus govt. Unemployment was very low etc. Post pandemic things are much harder and now we are under attack by Trump. If you don't understand the difference then you are delusional
 

bver_hunter

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Again, if it works, why did Carney pause it? It's a very simple question about a core policy Trudeau Liberals had for years you defended.

So why is it suddenly not good policy?
Already explained it. in line with Post # 260.

But I see you have once again avoided the question that has been posed to the Climate Change Deniers. So once again:

Why did the Big Oil Corporations hide the Research linking Carbon Emissions to Climate Change?
 

Skoob

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Harper actually prorogued it to avoid a defeat. Trudeau resigned, then prorogued it to allow for a leadership change before the election. If he had not done that we would have been in the middle of an election while the tariff war was unfolding and been in complete chaos. It was the responsible thing to do.
He should have called an election well before Trump took office when the opposition called for it. They wanted a carbon tax election but the Libs held firm on it.
Until of course it was too late and his own ministers turned on him and begged him to remove the carbon tax.

So he resigns and then Carney copies the Conservative platform and suddenly the environment is not a concern. And all the while, when Canada needed their government most, they prorogued parliament. But the Libs started making policy decisions outside of parliament anyway.

Very undemocratic isn't it? If Conservatives were doing that you would storm the capital.

You're being played.
 

Frankfooter

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No we are not on track for 4°C warming. The linear trend is about 0.15°C/decade based on the global dataset of satellite records from Jan 1979- Mar 2025. And that pretty much agrees with what the trend is showing from the weather stations. In 1950 the average global temperature was 13.9°C and in 2024 it was 15.1°C. That's 1.2°C over 75 years which equates to 0.16°C per decade.

Stop with the alarmist crap and look at the facts.
Thanks for at least admitting that you know the planet is warming as much as climatologist predicted, at 0.15ºC a decade.

But the bad news is that its accelerating, both CO2 emissions and changes from hitting tipping points.
 

bver_hunter

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lol Criminal Carney was the boss at Brookfield. :ROFLMAO:

Carney owes China a favour, Is in bed with the WEF.

He will run up more debt than Trudeau and give the money to companies he has a vested interest in. It's not even hidden.

10 years of Liberal fuck ups and still making excuses. Grow up and be a man.
Really "Criminal Carney"? What crimes has he committed when he has disclosed everything to the ethics commissioner prior to running for PM?

As usual you follow the far right media that are in desperate times at the moment. Especially when Pee Pee who once had a huge double digits lead of more than 20 points is now lagging behind at the polls! :p :LOL:🤣

Carney owes China nil, zilch, nada....... nothing!!

Carney has a far more pragmatic approach to counter the effects of the tariffs, unlike Pee Pee who is trying to steal a few of the Carney talking points from his agenda!!

Trudeau handled the Pandemic in a more concise manner than the POTUS down South. Less infection, death rates and eventually a great handle of the global inflation!!
 

Skoob

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Those are just facts.
You are trying to fabricate an issue where there isn't any and ignoring actual issues.
If the Libs prorogued parliament, then why have been they making decisions outside of parliament for things like tariffs, aid for Ukraine, etc ? Very undemocratic.

If the Conservatives did that you would be calling for a revolution.
 

bver_hunter

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6 years of people being forced to pay a carbon tax fixed the climate. The Liberals said so. That's why they are cancelling the carbon tax because it worked! Action was taken and mission accomplished!


Unless of course you believe they cancelled it because they were about to lose an election and the climate "concerns" took a back seat to that? Say it isn't so Bver!!!
More Canadians at the middle and lower incomes received the rebates that countered the tariffs. Emissions were down.

But of course when Pee Pee uses his scaremongering tactics like how it was one of the major causes for inflation and aided by the right wing media then Carney stepped up to the plate to repel it!!

Now tell us why Carney has closed that 20+ point gap in the opinion polls since he took over from Pee Pee, if the Canadians did not trust him to handle the economy and also address The Climate Change?
 
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