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Carney ready to fold?: PM Carney to discuss trade at White House next week

Butler1000

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You mean the same military that is currently roaming the streets of Portland, Chicago etc?
That's the national guard. It's different. And it's being challenged in the courts as we speak.

Even then, they aren't engaging in thuggery. It's all about ICE when it comes to that.

NATO matters.
 

rhuarc29

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The economic pressure is building in the USA.
Yeah, but not enough. It's a mixed bag. Probably Trump's most worrisome issue at the moment is farmers, and that's a result of non-sectoral tariffs. The big problem for Canada is the sectoral tariffs -- steel, autos, etc. -- and these are stickier than the others. Not only are these tariffs popular with his voter base in the purple states of the Rust Belt that he wants to hold onto, but they're trickier to overturn since his argument of national security has some merit to it. Unlike the farmers who are pretty much getting unilaterally screwed (until he bails them out), manufacturers are a definite mixed bag, where certain industries are seeing resurgence (steel mills) whereas downstream industries are being hurt. Pennsylvania manufacturing is up 0.7% overall since Trump took office, so he at least has some measures in the green. And I don't think what red he does have is going to budge him unless it gets SIGNIFICANTLY worse. He seems convinced that the manufacturing tariffs will be worth it in the long run, and he's stubborn as Hell, especially in his second term.
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah, but not enough. It's a mixed bag. Probably Trump's most worrisome issue at the moment is farmers, and that's a result of non-sectoral tariffs. The big problem for Canada is the sectoral tariffs -- steel, autos, etc. -- and these are stickier than the others. Not only are these tariffs popular with his voter base in the purple states of the Rust Belt that he wants to hold onto, but they're trickier to overturn since his argument of national security has some merit to it. Unlike the farmers who are pretty much getting unilaterally screwed (until he bails them out), manufacturers are a definite mixed bag, where certain industries are seeing resurgence (steel mills) whereas downstream industries are being hurt. Pennsylvania manufacturing is up 0.7% overall since Trump took office, so he at least has some measures in the green. And I don't think what red he does have is going to budge him unless it gets SIGNIFICANTLY worse. He seems convinced that the manufacturing tariffs will be worth it in the long run, and he's stubborn as Hell, especially in his second term.
True, Canada is protected largely by CUSMA.
Carney is working on some moves to protect those industries not covered.
 

rhuarc29

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It may be effective but watching Carney gush praise over Trump makes me want to vomit. It’s embarrassing and it makes us look weak.
Unfortunately, we ARE weak. Canada is at its economic weakest now than it has been in three decades. I'd argue that societally we're at our weakest than far longer than that. Our hospitals are a mess, several generations can't afford homes and families. Crime is seeing a resurgence. We've mouthed off on the global stage without the strength to back it up, so we've managed to draw foreign ire against our country. Canada is a freaking mess right now.

The ass-kissing makes me sick too, but the blame for it lies with inept leaders who put us in this position. We need to focus on returning to strength so we can avoid being bullied in the future.
 

DesRicardo

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It may be effective but watching Carney gush praise over Trump makes me want to vomit. It’s embarrassing and it makes us look weak.
Everyone has to kiss Trump's ass, unless you are China, Russia or Israel.

What makes it look bad is he created a movement about never doing it.
 

SchlongConery

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LOVE this Canadian guy! Tells it like it is! Especially how he is an internet tough guy but whenever he is with the same world leaders he bullies online he slouches over like a weak, shirking violet. Instead of sitting up straight, chin high with confidence.

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