CBC has outdone themselves

[kooley]

Well our national joke of a television station has one upped their bs programs. I Was flipping channels for updated news and happened to come upon CBC showing the Iraqui tv feed of them interviewing the captured US soldiers. This is a clear violation of the geneva convention and if nothing else is just a stupid move on their part. Talk about bad taste, I mean these troops fate has been sealed and now CBC is exploiting the video of these poor pows literally quivering in fear. Next time they need money maybe we should all sit back and look at this bonehead move by the CBC.

just my 2 cents

 

[gramage]

city tv aired the video as well.

 

[gryfin]

Violation of the Geneva Convention? What planet are you on?

I've been watching pictures of Iraqi prisoners being force marched, forced to kneel en masse, sitting without shelter in the sun, drinking water with a machine gun at their head - All examples of humiliation and all on camera. Did you just wake up? Two cents is too much to charge for that observation.

 

[gramage]

CTV played a clip from it too I think, but I only caught the tail end.

 

[submissivedave]

International Law ??? What the f@ck is that ???

If you are as mighty as the USA, you can do anything, say anything and get around anything ...

I would have to say that the USA is perhaps the top violator of "Internationa Law". In fact, the Geneva Convention also states that propaganda is "illegal". Plus, what about the right to self-determination? Does the United States respect that? Did they when they were and still are involved in Afahganstan? How about the Philippines at the turn of the century when they captured it from the Spanish? Lets see if they will after they capture Iraq (assuming they win the war).

Anyone read Woodrom Wilson's "The Fourteen Point Address"?
"United Nations Charter"? "The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights?" "European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights?" "American Convention on Human Rights?" "United Nations Declaration on the Right of Peoples to Peace?"

My point is ... the USA does not respect international laws themselves as "morally superior" as they are. How can you expect an "inferior" and "barbarous" government do so?

Thanks,

Dave

 

[nato75]

POW Footage

I have seen this footage on every major Canadian network and CityTV in Toronto today. I also saw it on at least ABC, CNN and CNN Headlines News in the U.S.

CBC Newsworld played a montage of television networks from around the world airing the footage - Al Jazeera, Phillippines, and so on.

Suffice to say, it's everywhere.

 

[torex]

war and media! is'nt it great!!

I really don't understand why so many people are shocked? these images are tame compared to images from the past ie: Vietnam and WW2

We all knew these types of images where going to come!

it is war? no?

 

[powerman]

Well our national joke of a television station has one upped their bs programs. I Was flipping channels for updated news and happened to come upon CBC showing the Iraqui tv feed of them interviewing the captured US soldiers. This is a clear violation of the geneva convention and if nothing else is just a stupid move on their part. Talk about bad taste, I mean these troops fate has been sealed and now CBC is exploiting the video of these poor pows literally quivering in fear. Next time they need money maybe we should all sit back and look at this bonehead move by the CBC.

just my 2 cents

Kooley, just as how some people don't read widely, some don't 'watch' widely. You need to cover all bases. No need to hunt CBC down like that.

That region is going to be one huge mess pretty soon. Its gonna pretty ugly. Watch the proceedings.

One thing I can say is, thank God for BBC.......................

PS Kooley: This whole war is a violation of......................it seems anything goes. Once again, the USA has set a 'wonderful' example.

 

[onthebottom]

Re: Re: CBC has outdone themselves

Kooley, just as how some people don't read widely, some don't 'watch' widely. You need to cover all bases. No need to hunt CBC down like that.

That region is going to be one huge mess pretty soon. Its gonna pretty ugly. Watch the proceedings.

And it was such a damn nice place before all this started....

One thing I can say is, thank God for BBC.......................

I think that's the Queen you're thinking of.

PS Kooley: This whole war is a violation of......................it seems anything goes. Once again, the USA has set a 'wonderful' example.

A volition of what? Of 1444? Of resolutions 12 years old? Of what exactly. Of the opinion of Cameroon, perhaps. The only thing that has been violated is French relevance.

OTB

 

[onthebottom]

Selina

Thanks for the link, would hate for you to write anything original.

I think most are surprised at how restrained the US air war has been. The power grid is still on ..... NPR reported that many of the Iraqi injures to date were from AA fire. Perhaps Sadams human shields are having their desired propaganda effects. Thanks for bringing them to us.

OTB

 

[powerman]

Re: Re: Re: CBC has outdone themselves

And it was such a damn nice place before all this started....



I think that's the Queen you're thinking of.



A volition of what? Of 1444? Of resolutions 12 years old? Of what exactly. Of the opinion of Cameroon, perhaps. The only thing that has been violated is French relevance.

OTB

Bottom, say it.......... Those African monkeys shouldnt have an opinion right? We all know what is thought of people of colour so need to bring Cameroon into this.

Volition?? What the hell is that? A new American word? Hasn't the English language been screwed up enough by Americans???

I never think of the Queen. I think of smart educated unbiased people. Few of which reside in USA. The BBC is world reknown for being the most unbiased medium for news. Did you not know that? You really take garbage like CNN seriously? Say what you will about the British, they are damn objective and admit when they are wrong.......most of the time. Can't say the same for.....................

A violation is a violation sir. America wants to have their cake and eat it too. Let them have it. Things are going to get messy. You think getting rid of a swine like Saddam in this particular manner is gonna help?

Region was already in a mess much like America was for non whites back in the 50s and 60s when little black girls were bombed to death and black men hung because a few white people thought of them as lesser beings. Too bad no one decided to bomb USA for those atrocities eh.

One thing everyone notices about Americans is that they rarely tend to know anything about the rest of the world hence there attitude to it. Too bad World geo/history are not emphasized in USA. It would do the citizens a world of good.

This kill at will mentality is sickening. All empires fall. This one will fall the hardest. Colonization of the highest(or lowest depending on how you look at it) order

Bob Marley once sang....'if you dig one ditch, you better dig two'

Then again, he was just a silly ass weed smoking biracial Jamacian. What does he know, right?

Yes, the underlying theme is only American opinions matter. I say 'yes massah'

 

[gryfin]

WIYD, you need better sources

Your source does not contain a quote from the ICRC or anyone to attribute the statement to. The article also has no byline itself - who wrote it? Whoever replied for the ICRC, and we don't even know if someone did, admits they have not seen the pictures even though they are on every television station and newspaper.

Pretty shabby journalism.

All of this was obvious from the first reading. Are you not familiar with basic standards of reporting?

 

[gryfin]

Not only Reuters, you are also not familiar

Otherwise, you would not have used it. When you get over your temper tantrum, reflect on the issues I've raised and use them to contribute better posts. I'm sure you won't leave yourself out to hang in the wind again, like you did this time.

 

[King Pig]

The footage of Iraqi soldiers surrendering is completely different than those of the American POWs. I have yet to see footage of an american POW camp. That is a violation of international law. The surrender of Iraqi soldiers is a news story and it ends there. What the Iraqis are doing is using the American POWs as part of their propaganda campaign aganist the coalition forces and this is what has people upset.

Therefore, before people get on their high horses and bash America, it would be helpful if you knew the facts.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

The images are truely disturbing in all aspects! The soldiers are being used as propoganda for a dieing dictator. Honestly though, you cannot expect someone like Hussien to fight by the "rules of engagement" such as the Geneva Conventions when he has thumbed his nose at the world for over 12 years.

I hate the images and I would agrue that they serve no use other than to illustrate that war is hell. I could only imagine what the war correspondants must have seen in WW2. I guess there had to be some form of self cencership then. Not today. Today we have child porn, jackass movies, real television programing and the list goes on. The news programs are just trying to compete.

My question is just what message are they trying to send?

 

[CityOfJoy]

USA is hypocrit

Nothing is legal.. nothing is illegal when it comes to power. USA of today is, at least in their own opinion, the sole Super Power on the planet (and maybe they think even in outer space).

They have been using their might wherever they have thier interests. One big joke and example of hypocricy of USA is the way they have handled the India-Pakistan situation. (in words of Bill Clinton.. the nuclear flashpoint on the face of earth) Pakistan has been openly supporting terrorists (who they say are freedom fighters) and even when almost every terrorist captured is found in Pakistan these days, you do not hear any actions planned to be taken against them.

If USA thinks there are terrorists in Afghanistan or in Iraq and has justified themselves by military force, what's so different about Pakistan? They do know that Pakistani nationals are prone to some form of terrorism and hence now they have made it mandatory for every Pakistani in US to register with INS where they are being photographed and fingerprinted.

Anyways.. point is.. USA has strength and it is and it will use it where it feels it's in their advantage to do so. If you join them, good.. if you don't... you are boo'ed.

 

[King Pig]

CityofJoy

Once again it is evident that people who bash America do not care oe want to know the facts before speaking.

The difference between Pakistan and Iraq is that there is no state support of terrorism in Pakistan. In fact, Pakistan has been a strong allie of the US in their war against terrorism.

The Iragi regime openly supports terrorists actions and there is no denying this. The regime has given over $52,000,000 to the families of suicidial bombers in Israel and have publicly stated that they would continue to do so. They are encouraging suicidial bombers to continue their actions against innocent victims.

Using your logic, one can make an argument that Canada is a terrorist nation as well because some terrorists have used Canada as their basis of operations. Guess we should all wait for the upcoming American invasion of Canada, Saudi Arabia, Britian, Germany and every nation where terrorists live.

The US has also expressed strong opinions against India and Pakistan with regards to the nuclear race and potential conflict over Kashmir. In fact, the US is one of the only nations that can exert significant influence in that region to prevent a break out of all out war.

Despite what you believe or want to believe, the US is the global police man and we need a party to fulfill this role. At least the US exercises their power in a responsible manner.

 

[CityOfJoy]

CityofJoy

Once again it is evident that people who bash America do not care oe want to know the facts before speaking.

The difference between Pakistan and Iraq is that there is no state support of terrorism in Pakistan. In fact, Pakistan has been a strong allie of the US in their war against terrorism.

I agree Pak is the ally in the war against terrorism. However, Pakistan is aiding terrorists by giving them moral and financial support.

Comparing Canada with coutries like Pakistan, Sudan, Yemen is not right in that Canada does not willingly allow terrorists training camps to be run on it's territory. Pakistan has numerous "madarsas" where kids as young as 10 mug up the holy book and all that they are taught is to hate the non-islamic world.

Pakistan has also been proven to have exported nuclear know-how to N. Korea and it is a univerally known fact that it was only the Pakistani govt. who supported Taliban before 9/11 simply because they were most instrumental in forming the Taliban in the first place.

I do know my facts and for the sake of peace among TERBites, let's call our small debate off. It is very interesting and scary times we all live in and I am personally very interested to see how events unfold concerning the region that's a flashpoint.

 

[luckyjackson]

While I don't agree with Iraq's decision to broadcast the images of captured soldiers, I also am not sure that it fits the Geneva convention's rule on this point, which says they are not to depict the POWs in a "humiliating" manner. I may have missed the footage being discussed here, but all I saw was American POWs reciting name, rank and serial #. If the Iraqi's intended to humiliate them, I think it backfired.

As well, though I believe this war was necessary and that the American's are waging it in a fairly responsible manner, (as far as we know), they are in a very poor position to criticize Iraq for not observing the rules. This is afterall the same nation that wished to bypass due process of law with the terrorist suspects they took to Guantanamo, and which decreed that the FBI may arrest fugitives from U.S. law wherever they may be - even if they have to ignore other country's laws.

 

[BigGuy26]

Is it not also against the Geneva Convention for soldiers to pose as civilians or to fake a surrender??

I believe it is, and thats the type of enemy Saddam Hussein is. Reports are he will have his Republican Guard dress as civilians and fight from areas inhabited by civilians, which ultimately means more casualties for those who oppose Saddam.

Saddam will do anything for an advantage, which is to be expected from him, as the US has stated they will kill him. The US has stated that once the Coalition approaches Baghdad, hope for the best but expect the worse.