Celeron, AMD or Pentium

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If you're going laptop get a Centrino chip (not Celeron) as it makes for thinner lighter laptops and double the battery life...and next to no heat.
 

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RogerRabbit said:
Does P4 Hyperthread make a difference, when backing up DVD movies?
I’ve been reading about Intel’s hyperthreading and from what I understand, it’s a BIOS trick to make the OS think that there are two processors when there is actually one. The single processor attempts to do the job of 2 processors. The end result is a performance boost of approx 10% on applications that support multiprocessing. On apps that don’t support it there is no performance improvement. In certain applications, it can actually reduce performance slightly.

I wouldn’t let hyperthreading influence my purchase decision. I think it’s more hype than it really deserves.

I understand that Longwood will take more advantage of hyperthreading. Longwood is the new version of Windows due out 2006.

If you are buying today with an eye to the future, I would be more interested in getting a 64 bit processor like the Athlon 64. That has more future value than hyperthreading.
 

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sipmply put it works and is not afraid to get hot
 

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An incorrect post Cinema Face. HT is an additional set of registers pointing at the operational units. This allows concurrent scheduling of tasks and its goal is to maximize cpu usage. It works best when an inefficient process is running, i.e., something allocates resources but isn't always using them - with HT another thread can then use the resources. To use HT, the OS must be aware that it has a second virtual, not physical, processor, such that its scheduler deals with the situation properly. Windows XP can use HT, under 2000 it is best to disable HT in bios.

Cinema Face said:
I’ve been reading about Intel’s hyperthreading and from what I understand, it’s a BIOS trick to make the OS think that there are two processors when there is actually one. The single processor attempts to do the job of 2 processors. The end result is a performance boost of approx 10% on applications that support multiprocessing. On apps that don’t support it there is no performance improvement. In certain applications, it can actually reduce performance slightly.
 

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Just to clarify...it's Windows Longhorn.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
An incorrect post Cinema Face. HT is an additional set of registers pointing at the operational units. This allows concurrent scheduling of tasks and its goal is to maximize cpu usage. It works best when an inefficient process is running, i.e., something allocates resources but isn't always using them - with HT another thread can then use the resources. To use HT, the OS must be aware that it has a second virtual, not physical, processor, such that its scheduler deals with the situation properly. Windows XP can use HT, under 2000 it is best to disable HT in bios.
What you're saying doesn't necessarily contradict my points, although I wasn’t aware that additional registers were required.

The point is that hyperthreading is not the same performance improvement as having two processors in a system. It is a very minor improvement in the best of situations. It is a way of “fooling� the OS into thinking there are two physical processors and the single processor tries to perform like two physical processors. There’s no way that one processor can perform like two.

And thanx for the clarification, it is indeed Windows Longhorn.
 

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AMD for the money and what you're getting.
Got the AMD Athlond XP 2500 about a year ago and it's been amazing.
Didn't want to do it, but I asked all the guys in the computer department where I used to work and they were right.
Trust me, go Athlon.
Pentium, for the price you'll just help Intel pay "the Blue Man groups" pay cheques for the commercials. :)
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong...We refer to the any intel p4 as a processor, but inside there are two separate processors. There is the floating point and the math co-processor which both carry out different types of operations.

So if you are running two apps that each require a different type of processing, you will run faster (not double speed); If you are running apps that require the same processing you will run possible slower than if you had a regular chip.

I haven't read anything about ht since about a year before the first 3.06 hit the market, so I'm a bit rusty but that's how I understood it.
 

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When it comes to the performance of a computer, you need to consider the motherboard and cpu together. Sometime the problem is not with the cpu but motherboard.

There are always different chipsets available of AMD from VIA SIS and Nvida. VIA is the only alternative for Intel cpu. It is because of competition that the motherboards are cheaper for AMD motherboard, and the manufacturers try to outdo each other in new features such as PCI express and SATA .
 
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