Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

[Butler1000]

I'm sorry anyone who believes in free speech had to defend Charlie Kirk's right to speak his beliefs.
I don't think you understand clearly enough that what you describe could apply to a lot of political and media people on the far left and far right.
Silencing people with violence should be condemned without condition.

I do. And considering part of his platform are core values were empathy is a fake new age construct, and there is an acceptable ratio of gun violence for upholding the 2nd amendment, well he died due to his own values.

His own beliefs were just put into practice.

 

[Frankfooter]

I think we all know who's actually performing mental gymnastics here...lol you're bedding over backwards to claim this is a political violence but the left is not to blame...ever si ce Trump won, the democrats had nothing but fight opposition at every turn...their followers are being encouraged to fight and this is what happens.

I seem to recall a thread with phil declaring that the hammer guy who attacked Pelosi's husband was a left winger too.
Everyone to the left of MAGA says wait and find out, who knows who it was.
But you seem very sure it was political and it was a left winger.

Kirk was pretty shitty and died from the gun culture he backed but that his killing was still wrong and whoever did it should go on trial.
Whatever their political beliefs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1965776693634941044

 

[Frankfooter]

Kirk had theories about who might kill him.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1965865709038416216

And trump had reason to be mad at him.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1965131992653332824

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

When Kyle volunteer to defend stores from being looted, chased and defended himself from armed assailants - it's his fault.
Whe Charlie kirk who wasnt armed and wasn't violently threatening to anybody and gets shot, it's also his fault? I wonder what type of situation will it take for you to actually blame someone from the left when they act violently...

The "left" didn't kill Charlie Kirk.
The left is largely very peaceful.
Someone Charlie Kirk successfully enraged as he intended to, through his divisive and irresponsible rhetoric, did.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

lol you're bedding over backwards to claim this is a political violence but the left is not to blame...

Yes, as a matter of fact, the "left" did not kill Charlie Kirk.
One (1) person, did.
This One (1) person, successfully fell for Charlie Kirk's irresponsible grift. Maybe a little too hard.
PS: Having said that, we are still speculating that this is political violence. It could just be anything, we still don't know yet.

 

[richaceg]

I seem to recall a thread with phil declaring that the hammer guy who attacked Pelosi's husband was a left winger too.
Everyone to the left of MAGA says wait and find out, who knows who it was.
But you seem very sure it was political and it was a left winger.

Kirk was pretty shitty and died from the gun culture he backed but that his killing was still wrong and whoever did it should go on trial.
Whatever their political beliefs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1965776693634941044

Lol...see in mynpost where I said its political...what I said was left wingers hate Charlie kirk...the left wingers were dead set its Charlie's fault he gets shot...

 

[richaceg]

Yes, as a matter of fact, the "left" did not kill Charlie Kirk.
One (1) person, did.
This One (1) person, successfully fell for Charlie Kirk's irresponsible grift. Maybe a little too hard.

So it's non-political violence.like you said it was then? Make up your mind...

 

[jalimon]

I do. And considering part of his platform are core values were empathy is a fake new age construct, and there is an acceptable ratio of gun violence for upholding the 2nd amendment, well he died due to his own values.

His own beliefs were just put into practice.

Exactly what I think. Extreme right-wingers would often say, "Does it hurt your feelings? Because I don't care".

I feel the same today. Seems his death hurt some feelings, but you know what... I don't care.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So it's non-political violence.like you said it was then? Make up your mind...

I think it is political.
But I am saying that this is still speculation.
We don't know who the suspect is or what their motive was and we won't know for sure until they are caught.

 

[Valcazar]

We can all agree that this is political violence.

No, we can't.
Not without more information about the motives.

We can also agree that political violence happens because someone who is enraged with someone's political messaging, decided to enact vengeance.
This doesn't happen without the victim (in this case Charlie) having pushed divisive, rhetoric that was designed to enrage their enemies (in this case the shooter).
I was pointing out this simple truth of cause and effect that you already know.

Not true.
People can be killed for politics that wasn't based on enraging their political opponents.
Even if it did enrage them. Someone arguing in favor of democracy may enrage a dictator, but I wouldn't say their rhetoric was designed to do that, specifically.

 

[Butler1000]

When Kyle volunteer to defend stores from being looted, chased and defended himself from armed assailants - it's his fault.
Whe Charlie kirk who wasnt armed and wasn't violently threatening to anybody and gets shot, it's also his fault? I wonder what type of situation will it take for you to actually blame someone from the left when they act violently...

You are assuming the left. But......

So far we have no suspect, no motive. No manifesto. Nothing. So.

What if it has to do with Kirk being involved in criminal activity? It's a great cover and investigations looking the wrong way.

What if it has to do with his political aspirations? I'm pretty sure he saw 2032(when he would be over 35,) as his year to run for the Presidency. He had a full grassroots system in place, media in place, tons of public exposure, and yes, charisma to take a shot. What if a right winger saw him as a threat to theirs?

Or, what if a 2028 candidate saw him as a threat when he wouldn't endorse him?

See how easy that is?

Don't speculate. Others can too.

 

[Butler1000]

So it's non-political violence.like you said it was then? Make up your mind...

Maybe not. See above. Or not from where you think it is.

 

[richaceg]

You are assuming the left. But......

So far we have no suspect, no motive. No manifesto. Nothing. So.

What if it has to do with Kirk being involved in criminal activity? It's a great cover and investigations looking the wrong way.

What if it has to do with his political aspirations? I'm pretty sure he saw 2032(when he would be over 35,) as his year to run for the Presidency. He had a full grassroots system in place, media in place, tons of public exposure, and yes, charisma to take a shot. What if a right winger saw him as a threat to theirs?

Or, what if a 2028 candidate saw him as a threat when he wouldn't endorse him?

See how easy that is?

Don't speculate. Others can too.

And if others can speculate, I can too...I like my odds on this...what exactly other reason is there to shoot him?

 

[The Oracle]

Exactly what I think. Extreme right-wingers would often say, "Does it hurt your feelings? Because I don't care".

I feel the same today. Seems his death hurt some feelings, but you know what... I don't care.

You think this was fake like you thought the Trump assignation attempt was?

Oh and the Shapiro quote was ''Facts don't care about your feelings''

 

[Butler1000]

And if others can speculate, I can too...I like my odds on this...what exactly other reason is there to shoot him?

I literally listed three there.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

No, we can't.
Not without more information about the motives.

True. I say so above as well.

Not true.
People can be killed for politics that wasn't based on enraging their political opponents.
Even if it did enrage them. Someone arguing in favor of democracy may enrage a dictator, but I wouldn't say their rhetoric was designed to do that, specifically.

You couldn't say that about Charlie Kirk though.
He was a professional rage baiter.

 

[Butler1000]

You think this was fake like you thought the Trump assignation attempt was?

Oh and the Shapiro quote was ''Facts don't care about your feelings''

On the Trump attempt. We still know nothing about the shooter. It's all been swept up. Which means there is no political capital in his identity. So likely either crazed, or right wing.

Same with this one. We have no information, no manifesto, reasons, social media, suspect etc.

Except it was a damn good shot. To good for an amateur imo.

 

[Valcazar]

No, he didn't challenge anybody or intend to debate anyone.
He just said really nutty things designed to piss off "the left" and grift from the rage bait.
It backfired.

This is also untrue.
He was famous for his "debates".

Yes, he picked his targets and yes he was a dick, but he did do more than just post rage bait.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Seems security at the event and the investigation are shit-shows. Nearly 12 hours later and they seemingly have no idea who they're looking for.

Typically, something would have surfaced by now. But there are no CCTV footage, no reports of a suspect fleeing, nothing to appeal to the public with.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

This is also untrue.
He was famous for his "debates".

Yes, he picked his targets and yes he was a dick, but he did do more than just post rage bait.

"Debates".
They weren't actual debates.
Just another mediium for him to say nutty things to be used as soundbites.