Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

martel2l

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Free speech does not include freedom from consequences. Espouse marginalization and its not free speech.

It's a threat to the marginalized.
Sorry my guy you jumped in a convo without reading the whole back and forth so do your homework. Being against trans activism is acceptable and not stochastism terrorism.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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He called them a "throbbing middle finger to god".
He said - “transgenderism and gender ‘fluidity’ are lies that hurt people and abuse kids" and argued that people shouldn’t be allowed to declare their own gender or sex freely.
He claimed - “direct connection to inflation and the trans issue"...which doesn't even make sense.
Those were his words
And for that he should have been murdered??
 
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Sorry my guy you jumped in a convo without reading the whole back and forth so do your homework. Being against trans activism is acceptable and not stochastism terrorism.
No it isn't. They used to say the same about gay activism, women's activism, black activism. Now, calling it terrorism in my opinion is too far fetched.

Instead it's simply the same old attacks on civil rights the USA and Western society has slowly been grappling with for about 100 years or so. A drop in the lake of history. There will always be a pendulum on these things as lines are redrawn, and pushback from those fearful of change.

Or in Charlie's case, lacking the empathy to see them as equal human beings and not projects to be converted.
 

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Sorry my guy you jumped in a convo without reading the whole back and forth so do your homework. Being against trans activism is acceptable and not stochastism terrorism.
Trans activism is your strong argument because trans is still controversial.

But despising blacks and women as inferior?.... That's just cruel bullshit.
 

martel2l

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No it isn't. They used to say the same about gay activism, women's activism, black activism. Now, calling it terrorism in my opinion is too far fetched.

Instead it's simply the same old attacks on civil rights the USA and Western society has slowly been grappling with for about 100 years or so. A drop in the lake of history. There will always be a pendulum on these things as lines are redrawn, and pushback from those fearful of change.

Or in Charlie's case, lacking the empathy to see them as equal human beings and not projects to be converted.
briefly, "i dont like what charlie had to say but it was not terrorism". Thank you have a good day.
 

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martel2l

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Trans activism is your strong argument because trans is still controversial.

But despising blacks and women as inferior?.... That's just cruel bullshit.
There is not a single person who can be mainstream like kirk and say publicly that blacks are inferior. The case of nick fuentes and others demonstrate that.

Even then i would say that it s not stochastic terrorism to make a statement such as "race x has lower mental abilities than race y". Having lower abilities does not mean you deserve anger or violence. If i say "people with down syndrome have lower brain power", does that make me hateful toward them?
 

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No you havent. You've insinuated his entire thread that Charlie deserved to get killed because of things he said.
You dont even know what you're saying anymore
Stop lying Phil.
My very first post in this thread said:
However, this is a domestic act of terrorism and should be treated as such.
Still sad though. He was too young to go like this especially in front of his wife and kids.
Here is another:
Well this isn't a free speech debate because yes, we all agree he had a right to say whatever he wanted to say.
Condemning this shooting is also not a debate, because yes, we all condemn political violence of any kind.
 

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There is not a single person who can be mainstream like kirk and say publicly that blacks are inferior. The case of nick fuentes and others demonstrate that.

Even then i would say that it s not stochastic terrorism to make a statement such as "race x has lower mental abilities than race y". Having lower abilities does not mean you deserve anger or violence. If i say "people with down syndrome have lower brain power", does that make me hateful toward them?
Saying that is fucking racist and untrue. No matter whichever way you try to justify it it’s an untrue statement.
 
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