Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

[SchlongConery]

Yes.
Kirk and Maher had a right to say whatever they wanted. However, freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism of your speech.

Exactly. And when the effects of free speech has related consequences (Kirk being shot and Maher being fired), then saying so is fair game and also free speech.

Now let me be unambiguously clear:

I do not believe that Charlie Kirk should have been murdered as he was over expressing and promoting his (vile, cold and disrespectful) opinions. I think it was horrific there is no excuse or valid justification for it. I also don't have a beef with ABC firing Maher as his opinions were not good for business, and ABC is a business first and foremost.

But the irony of Kirk being shot under the rights provided by the Second Amendment and ABC whose very existence relies on the First Amendment protection of free speech should not be set aside.

 

[bggolfingmaniac]

I blame the start of this right wing extremism on the advent of the late night Outrage Radio business model started by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. He turned a couple of my (former) good friends into obsessive lunatics.

Rush and his ilk saw how gullible southern American's were by the example of the Televangelist Cult Leaders grifting off the gullible.

So do I. It absolutely incensed me to see Trump give that fat piece of shit the presidential medal. No human did more to divide America than that man in the 90s.

 

[WyattEarp]

Exactly. And when the effects of free speech has related consequences (Kirk being shot and Maher being fired), then saying so is fair game and also free speech.

Now let me be unambiguously clear:

I do not believe that Charlie Kirk should have been murdered as he was over expressing and promoting his (vile, cold and disrespectful) opinions. I think it was horrific there is no excuse or valid justification for it. I also don't have a beef with ABC firing Maher as his opinions were not good for business, and ABC is a business first and foremost.

But the irony of Kirk being shot under the rights provided by the Second Amendment and ABC whose very existence relies on the First Amendment protection of free speech should not be set aside.

It seems like your walking a fine line here.

I will say I see the irony.

 

[SchlongConery]

no

you are too stunned to distinguish between a cold blooded murder and advocating for the protection of freedoms
and he never disrespected any victims as individuals.
he was certainly a peaceful family man with a wife and kids who just happened not to share your extreme views on gun control

you are delusional if you think you can control a populations behavior



that is just stupid
no normal person would take any joy out of a cold blooded murder nor justify it via something the victim said
you want the freedom to express your views don't you?
they are almost guaranteed to be offensive to someone

it appears both Dr king and Charlie kirk were targeted and murdered for speaking out about issues which were important to them




by mocking him ?
by dancing gleefully on his grave?
by calling him callous?

your argument is wrong, it respects nothing

You make good counter-points.

But believe me when I say that I do not celebrate his murder. I am not saying he can't speak his mind on issues that are important to him. I don't have "extreme views on gun control" as you ascribe to me.

On gun control... as a former, enthusiastic long gun and handgun owner, restricted weapon owner, collector, small game big game and waterfowl hunter, target (22 precision shooting Anschutz) trap and skeet shooter that never shot below 22/25 , I KNOW the US is beyond gun control. I have NO, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH ideas on how to make the US safer WRT guns.

As I said in a previous post, if I lived in the US, I'd own both a self defense shotgun and a concealed compact 40 cal handgun.

In Canada, I surrendered all my guns for destruction about 15-20 years ago when I moved downtown and was worried about securing them. I never wanted the chance that my guns could ever hurt anyone so I didn't sell them.

I accept and support legal gun ownership in Canada. I also support the gov't invoking the notwithstanding clause to reintroduce substantial (5 and 10 year) mandatory minimum sentencing for illegal use or carrying of guns. Whose sentences would be consecutive to any underlying sentences.

I also call out pilots who crash and get killed and kill others "doing what they love" when their deliberate actions result in their death. Because I want others to realize that going out "doing what you love" is never glamourous.

Go peacefully, in your sleep. Like my grandfather. Not screaming in terro like his passengers.

 

[bver_hunter]

Definitely seems like a well planned execution, from the old guy distraction arrest to the route planned for escape.
The FBI thinks it might have been a foreign attack, but at least one country has said they didn't do it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1965954902980776277

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966376396072342015

I watched the Russian RT News and they were pointing the finger at Ukraine.
Their reasoning without any proof is that this Kirk individual espoused for total withdrawal of aid in terms of arms to Ukraine!!
In other words there will be a lot of conspiracy theories not only from the domestic front but foreign media as well!!
But Trump is despicable in the manner in which he stated to Fake Fox News that The Radicals of The Right want Peace whereas the Radicals from the Left want Violence and are horrible etc.!!
What a divisive idiot, especially as not so long ago we saw the killings by the Far Right on that Democrat Lawmaker and his Wife!!

 

[SchlongConery]

It seems like your walking a fine line here.

I will say I see the irony.

It's a fuzzy line. I am not trying to slice the baloney too thin.

My thoughts and opinions wander, but my lines are pretty clear.

I believe in free speech and the rights related to freedoms the citizens of the USA and Canada have codified. Including amendments to those foundational documents. But they have implications and consequences. Both legal and societal.

 

[mandrill]

The new take is that the engravings were not leftie slogans, but gaming nerd catch phrases.

 

[mandrill]

 

[bver_hunter]

Closeups on the video show that he may have had the gun with him, its unclear. But the FBI images of the gun also show the scope incorrectly mounted and the posts about trans engraving look to be nonsense as well. I doubt they will catch the killer, likely he's left the country now.

But I'll let the gun experts on the board comment on these.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966308424813301768

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966282732008591369

We in the end know that this has nothing to do with Trans shooters!!

 

[SchlongConery]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966510286535336032

You, Pierce and the other right wing chatterboxes might want to refresh your understanding of fascism. By your own assesment of this lone shooter he was the polar opposite of fascism. And Kirk met the textbook definition .

"A fascist is a proponent or supporter of fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a strong, centralized state, a cult of personality around a powerful leader, militarism, and the suppression of individual rights, democracy, and opposition.

Fascism often emphasizes national decline, purity, and the use of violence for what it sees as national revitalization, opposing liberalism, democracy, and communism. "

 

[SchlongConery]

We in the end know that this has nothing to do with Trans shooters!!

What's all this "in the end" talk? You one of those trans-wannabes?

 

[Butler1000]

no

you are too stunned to distinguish between a cold blooded murder and advocating for the protection of freedoms
and he never disrespected any victims as individuals.
he was certainly a peaceful family man with a wife and kids who just happened not to share your extreme views on gun control

you are delusional if you think you can control a populations behavior



that is just stupid
no normal person would take any joy out of a cold blooded murder nor justify it via something the victim said
you want the freedom to express your views don't you?
they are almost guaranteed to be offensive to someone

it appears both Dr king and Charlie kirk were targeted and murdered for speaking out about issues which were important to them




by mocking him ?
by dancing gleefully on his grave?
by calling him callous?

your argument is wrong, it respects nothing

When you state there is an acceptable level of gun deaths, this is the reaction. When you state empathy isn't real, this is the result.

We are only putting into practice his own ethos.

Unless you think Charlie was wrong?

 

[lomotil]

Why is the elimination of Kirk evoking such schadenfreude ?

 

[Butler1000]

It seems like your walking a fine line here.

I will say I see the irony.

It's more than irony. Hecwas a powerful voice who stated that there is an acceptable number of gun deaths. And that empathy is fake.

Its simply acting as he said was OK. Now society can look at the result.

If you don't like it, then Denouce Charlie for supporting it.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You, Pierce and the other right wing chatterboxes might want to refresh your understanding of fascism. By your own assesment of this lone shooter he was the polar opposite of fascism. And Kirk met the textbook definition .

"A fascist is a proponent or supporter of fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a strong, centralized state, a cult of personality around a powerful leader, militarism, and the suppression of individual rights, democracy, and opposition.

Fascism often emphasizes national decline, purity, and the use of violence for what it sees as national revitalization, opposing liberalism, democracy, and communism. "

No, because Charlie Kirk always preached non-violence, and Tyler Robinson chose violence

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It's more than irony. Hecwas a powerful voice who stated that there is an acceptable number of gun deaths. And that empathy is fake.

Its simply acting as he said was OK. Now society can look at the result.

If you don't like it, then Denouce Charlie for supporting it

Charlie Kirk never encouraged everyone to go out and shoot each other though

 

[bigbiz]

No, because Charlie Kirk always preached non-violence, and Tyler Robinson chose violence

To be fair gun deaths sometimes is 'worth it' according to a certain someone.

 

[bggolfingmaniac]

20 six year olds shot up couldn't.

Still the best tweet on that

(((Dan Hodges))) on X: "In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." / X

 

[Butler1000]

Charlie Kirk never encouraged everyone to go out and shoot each other though

But he gave permission from his position on gun control. He become a statistic.

That's the point. He lacked the empathy and became one.

 

[bver_hunter]

Wtf are you talking about? What a fucking

Are suffering from dementia? Let me take you back to your ridiculous posts that brought up this "trans" crap into the mix in the first place:

Oh cool, you're now referring to trans as 'honey buns' new name alert.

My response was to your below post:

Ya sorry sweetheart I only find my face between the legs of GENUINE red blooded women, not surgically manufactured ones. Good news is that there's more for you. Happy hunting

So, WTF was the "Sweetheart" meant to be? In the future remember what crap you start posting in the first place!!