Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

[Butler1000]

You can identify as you wish. Apparently that's all the rage these days. If you were a man you would say 'I hate him, what he stood for and I'm glad he's dead'. Are you still a man?

I didn't hate him. I'm essentially indifferent. Its American society that is eating itself. It's at this point an intellectual fascination. They continue to live up to what Churchill said.

"You can always rely on the Amerucans to make the right choice, after exploring all other options"

Charlie Kirk had zero relevance to me. He was relevance American elections and culture. Now he is dead. So speculation on the effect is sport for me. I hope his family is OK. I'm assuming g they will be with a decent support structure. But that's up to them.

Hate? Dude, a guy like Charlie isn't worth the emotion.

 

[Frankfooter]

non of you little boys have actually balls to come out and say it

but it's very clear where most of you stand on this issue

So nobody celebrated Kirk's death but you are very certain that they are celebrating it?
That comment was totally on you misreading the room and projecting your own stereotypes.

 

[Butler1000]

Your reply speaks volumes.

Holding up the mirror to Charlie and his advocates. I get you don't like the view.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Right at the beginning, listen carefully if you dare

"to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order".

Assuming it meant what you think it meant, do you know what the other name for that is, squeezer??
Lets see if you're smart enough to figure it out

 

[Butler1000]

I hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk before this, but to say that anyone "believed in no laws" to be a stretch. Is there any evidence to back up this claim?

No gun laws? Yes. He was a 2nd amendment absolutist. Probably thought giving nukes out would be a bad thing, and no doubt he thought illegal immigrants had no 2nd amendment rights. After that, have at er!

 

[cunning linguist]

No gun laws? Yes. He was a 2nd amendment absolutist.

Again, when did he say that, do you have a source?

 

[Frankfooter]

The slogans on the bullets were Nick Fuentes 'Groyper' slogans.
Fuentes had been on a self declared war against Kirk for not being right wing enough.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966522308073279663

 

[squeezer]

"to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order".

Assuming it meant what you think it meant, do you know what the other name for that is, squeezer??
Lets see if you're smart enough to figure it out

Dude, you asked I told you, now deal with it, I'm sure you're smart enough to do so.

 

[squeezer]

Cmon, we both know he isn't.

You have the insult everyone itch today, careful. I wouldn't want to lose you and your contributions and then figure out your new name, dammit!!!!!!

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Nowhere does Kirk say that we should execute political opponents.
Until you post a video where he says exactly that, you have no argument

EDIT: we dont take you guys seriously either btw

"There's other death penalties....I think what some of those guys did to Donald Trump to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order should be under consideration".
"This is my other problem with death penalties. It takes too long, too many appeals...it should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised".
He goes on to discuss at what age children should be allowed to watch televised executions, brought to you by Coca Cola.
What kind of psycho says that?
The fact that you are not even able to admit the obvious, that he was a piece of shit who professed violence, is why people are so indifferent to this guy's death.
So go ahead, you guys cry some more.

 

[SchlongConery]

If I buy a steak knife knowing full well that 99% of the people will use that knife responsibly and not hurt anyone, but <1% will not and start stabbing people, do I then deserve to get stabbed to death for pointing out that the small percentage of deaths is unfortunately acceptable, so normal people can use steak knives to cut their meat???

Cause thats kinda what you guys are saying

<sigh>

Steak knives are not guns. Nor are cars.

He didn't get stabbed and he wasn't advocating for steak knives, nor was he run over by an unlicensed driver.

But on that theme, he lived by the sword and he died by the sword. He loved 'swords' and think they make his county a better place to live. I wonder if he and his family feel that his life was a fair price to pay for the 2nd amendment rights of Tyler Robinson and his gun loving father?

But his death is different than the other hundreds of thousands of Americans killed as a result of the US' obsession with guns. You just want to make him a hero out of a situation that he dismissed the lives of others under. Others are pointing out the factual consequences of a gun obsessed society.

I've lived in both. And I used to be a gun nut. Read some of my posts on my firearms history. I think the US is beyond salvation when it comes to guns. I'm happy I live in Canada where the volume of guns is not so outrageous. I get it that a few criminals are responsible for almost all of the gun crime in Canada. But I'm happy we don't have a gun crazy society like the USA.

 

[Butler1000]

Again, when did he say that, do you have a source?

Where Charlie Kirk stood on guns, the LGBT+ community and the future of the United States | The Independent https://share.google/RFw5QKcBQUDjXyJOl

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Dude, you asked I told you, now deal with it, I'm sure you're smart enough to do so

I had high hopes you'd be able to figure out, but WTF was I thinking

FYI "to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order" is a form of treason.

Exhibit A: https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=is+"to+use+the+instruments+of+government+to+destroy+the+constitutional+order"+a+form+of+treason?&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

And guess what the official punishment for treason is, which was agreed upon by both Democrat and Republican parties:

Exhibit B:

Google Search

So all Kirk is saying is that the death penalty be applied to those who commit treason.
While it is rare, it has happened in the past to a few US citizens:

has any us citizen ever been executed for treason? - Google Zoeken

 

[squeezer]

"There's other death penalties....I think what some of those guys did to Donald Trump to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order should be under consideration".
"This is my other problem with death penalties. It takes too long, too many appeals...it should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised".
He goes on to discuss at what age children should be allowed to watch televised executions, brought to you by Coca Cola.
What kind of psycho says that?
The fact that you are not even able to admit the obvious, that he was a piece of shit who professed violence, is why people are so indifferent to this guy's death.
So go ahead, you guys cry some more.

You are doing Phil's homework, WHY MAN WHY????

Dude, you asked I told you, now deal with it, I'm sure you're smart enough to do so.

 

[Frankfooter]

I had high hopes you'd be able to figure out, but WTF was I thinking

FYI "to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order" is a form of treason.

Like trump with the Supreme Court?

 

[squeezer]

I had high hopes you'd be able to figure out, but WTF was I thinking

And guess what the official punishment for treason is, which was agreed upon by both Democrat and Republican parties:

So all Kirk is saying is that the death penalty be applied to those who commit treason.
While it is rare, it has happened in the past to a few US citizens:

Please see below! Thankfully for you, Shaq has come to your rescue

"There's other death penalties....I think what some of those guys did to Donald Trump to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order should be under consideration".
"This is my other problem with death penalties. It takes too long, too many appeals...it should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised".
He goes on to discuss at what age children should be allowed to watch televised executions, brought to you by Coca Cola.
What kind of psycho says that?
The fact that you are not even able to admit the obvious, that he was a piece of shit who professed violence, is why people are so indifferent to this guy's death.
So go ahead, you guys cry some more.

 

[cunning linguist]

Where Charlie Kirk stood on guns, the LGBT+ community and the future of the United States | The Independent https://share.google/RFw5QKcBQUDjXyJOl

So, no.

The only quote in that article was the one previously mentioned. That doesn't mean "no law", you're projecting.

 

[SchlongConery]

This was stochastic terrorism.

Had to look that up Professor!

Stochastic terrorism is a form of politically motivated violence where influential individuals use public rhetoric to demonize a person or group, hoping to provoke a statistically predictable but individually unpredictable act of violence by a member of the public. The key characteristic is the use of vague, indirect, or coded language, which allows the instigator to maintain "plausible deniability" for the resulting violence and avoid direct legal or public accountability. While not a direct incitement, this process exploits pre-existing extremist tendencies and a receptive media environment to create a climate where "lone wolf" attacks become more likely, even if there's no clear causal link between the specific inflammatory statements and the specific acts of violence.

Key Characteristics

• • Indirect Language:
    Instead of direct calls for violence, stochastic terrorism uses ambiguous, coded, or inflammatory rhetoric that hints at or suggests aggression against a target.
    
  • Plausible Deniability:
    The indirect nature of the communication allows the instigator to claim no responsibility for any violence that occurs, framing it as the act of an independent individual.
    
  • Mass Media Propagation:
    The rhetoric is amplified through social and traditional media, creating a widespread climate of hostility and fear towards the targeted person or group.
    
  • Statistically Predictable, Individually Unpredictable:
    While it's impossible to predict who will act or when, the consistent exposure to inflammatory rhetoric increases the overall statistical probability of violence occurring.
    
  • "Lone Wolf" Perpetrators:
    The individuals who commit the acts of violence are often "lone wolves," meaning they have no direct connection to the person who incited them and are not directly targeted or recruited by the instigator.
    

Examples and Implications

• • Examples:
    Figures like Anwar al-Awlaki and Alex Jones are cited as examples of stochastic terrorists who used indirect rhetoric to inspire violence.
    
  • Difficulty in Prosecution:
    The implicit nature of the communication makes it difficult to prosecute the instigators for inciting violence, as they can argue their speech was not a direct call to action.
    
  • Increased Risk:
    The pervasive reach of mass media and social media has increased the risk of stochastic terrorism, as it can quickly spread and amplify inflammatory narratives.
    

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

FYI "to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order" is a form of treason.

Suing Trump for his crimes is not treason.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

<sigh>

Steak knives are not guns. Nor are cars.

He didn't get stabbed and he wasn't advocating for steak knives, nor was he run over by an unlicensed driver

I never said they were, I'm using an analogy