Charlie Sheen questions 9/11!!!!!

[scroll99]

but I have yet to see anyone who is pushing the conspiracy theory state that maybe the simpler explanation is what happened.

did you watch this movie , I thought this is the simplest possible explanation we would ever see....

http://members.shaw.ca/freedomseven/pentagonlies.swf

 

[assoholic]

..every time one of these threads gets posted it gets huge hits, it shows the level of interest. Not good, for those trying to cover this up.Times may yet get interesting indeed.Now on CNN I actually hear people talking about whether or not reporters hiding in the green zone are crredible sources, amazing.
I mean its about time but still, amazing, if nothing else Charlie Sheen a
has exposed this level of interest.
Charlie Sheen for President ?
Sure he is totally unqualified, but he certainly cant do any worse the Bush, a drunk flatulent monkey would have a hard time doing worse then Bush.

 

[scroll99]

Flight 77 and the Pentagon. What Really Happened?

Read the following summary of "known" events concerning AA Flight 77.

8:20 am : 20 miles from the Pentagon. Flight 77 departs from Dulles Airport.
8:50 am : 260 miles from the Pentagon. Last radio communication with flight 77.
8:55 am : 300 miles from the Pentagon. Flight 77 turns while over southern Ohio.
8:56 am : 299 miles from the Pentagon. Transponder/radar contact lost.
9:33 am : 20 miles from the Pentagon. Unidentified aircraft reported heading to central DC.
9:38 am : 0 miles from the Pentagon. Crashes into the Pentagon.

So already we know that the Flight 77 story is nothing but a fabrication.

Dulles Airport is only 20 miles from the Pentagon. So it is insane to believe that the "hijackers", who started from Dulles Airport, waited until they were some 300 miles away from their target, the Pentagon, before hijacking the aircraft, turning it around and retracing their path back to the Pentagon. This would give the US Air Force over 40 minutes to get fighter aircraft up to investigate, and if necessary, shoot them down.

Any sane plan for hitting the Pentagon would involve hijacking the plane immediately after takeoff, turning it about quickly, and hitting the Pentagon before the US Air Force could react. Any sane plan could not suppose that the USAF had been stood down. Probably, the best plan would be to hijack a plane while it was on the ground at Washington International Airport, take off normally, then crash it into the Pentagon some 2 or 3 miles away.


So What Really Happened to the
"Hijacked" Flights of 9/11?

The aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon could not possibly have been the aircraft reported to have disappeared over southern Ohio. This is simply because, if it had flown from the Ohio/Kentucky border all the way back to Washington DC, then it would have been clearly visible on radar (if an aircrafts transponder is turned off, this means only that the aircraft stops transmitting its name, altitude, and some other details, however, it is still very visible to both military and civilian radar).

So, it would have been clearly visible to the hundreds of radar stations on the ground, as it flew over terrain populated by more air force bases than any other area on the planet, yet the US Air Force did nothing. They did not even scramble jets to investigate, let alone defend US airspace

Read more...
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/small/911-flights.htm

 

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Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.


http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

 

[Papi Chulo]

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." ñ Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002"

"October 24, 2000 – The Pentagon conducts the first of two emergency training exercises called MASCAL which is about a mock plane crash of a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon less than a year before 9/11"

http://neverknwo.gnn.tv/articles/15...le_emergency_training_exercises_called_MASCAL

Why would they need to prepare for this scenario as it is a well known fact the Pentagon is ringed with anti-aircraft batteries.




"April 2001

According to news stories of 4/13/04, the Defense Department considers holding yet another live exercise to rehearse for the contingency of a hijacked plane crashing into the Pentagon.

June 2001

The mass media warn that Osama Bin Laden is preparing to strike again. Sources report he has new and outlandish "Hollywood" ideas, like crashing a plane loaded with explosives into George W. Bushís hotel at the July 2001 Summit of G-8 nations in Genoa, Italy. TIME Magazine: "According to German intelligence sources, the plot involved Bin Laden paying German neo-Nazis to fly remote controlled model aircraft packed with Semtex into the conference hall and blow the leaders of the industrialized world to smithereens. (Paging Jerry BruckheimerÖ)" TIME also writes, "If Bin Laden didnít exist, weíd have to invent him."

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040527222832444





Is it just conincidence that the people behind 9/11 picked that day? The following wargames were taking place on 9/11

"1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.

4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR (aka Amalgam Warrior): This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm


"On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated..."

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387


Why were there no Arabs listed in the autopsy reports of the plane which hit the Pentagon?

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm



Here is another interesting read

7/7 Mock Terror Drill: What Relationship to the Real Time Terror Attacks?
by Michel Chossudovsky is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050808&articleId=821

 

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7/7 Mock Terror Drill: What Relationship to the Real Time Terror Attacks?
by Michel Chossudovsky is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050808&articleId=821[/QUOTE]


Concluding Remarks

One should not at this stage of the investigation draw hasty conclusions regarding the mock terror drill of a terror attack on the London underground, held on the same day and at the same time as the real time attacks.

The issue cannot, however, be dismissed. One would expect that it be addressed in a serious and professional fashion by the police investigation and that the matter be the object of a formal clarification by the British authorities.

The issue of foreknowledge raised in the Associated Press report also requires investigation.

More generally, an independent public inquiry into the London bomb attacks is required.

 

[dreamer]

Dulles Airport is only 20 miles from the Pentagon. So it is insane to believe that the "hijackers", who started from Dulles Airport, waited until they were some 300 miles away from their target, the

could it be because it took them 35 minutes to to take control of the plane and turn it around

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/woods.htm

an example of how to get into the cockpit without arousing suspicion, of course it takes a little time

 

[scroll99]

Regardless of wherever the Flight 77 got down , I am unable to find any real wreckage wreckage pictures of flight 77 , and to my knowledge nobody have seen it although we have seen inside Pentagon pictures of after cleanup .....does anyone think not a single picture was taken of the real wreckage ? its tail , its wings , its structure ???

 

[papasmerf]

Regardless of wherever the Flight 77 got down , I am unable to find any real wreckage wreckage pictures of flight 77 , and to my knowledge nobody have seen it although we have seen inside Pentagon pictures of after cleanup .....does anyone think not a single picture was taken of the real wreckage ? its tail , its wings , its structure ???

So what you are saying is you belive this never happened and it was a bomb?

So with the stragic planning required for such a coordinated strike on 9-111 you figure it took upwards of a year of planning and the Clinton's were behind this?

 

[scroll99]

could it be because it took them 35 minutes to to take control of the plane and turn it around

then it would have been clearly visible on radar (if an aircrafts transponder is turned off, this means only that the aircraft stops transmitting its name, altitude, and some other details, however, it is still very visible to both military and civilian radar).

So, it would have been clearly visible to the hundreds of radar stations on the ground, as it flew over terrain populated by more air force bases than any other area on the planet, yet the US Air Force did nothing. They did not even scramble jets to investigate, let alone defend US airspace,

they had 40 minutes to stop it ???

And all this was allowed to happen at 9 .38 when at 8.45 and 9.03 two planes were already crashed in the WTC ???

These are the air defences of the world most modern AIRFORCE???

 

[dreamer]

I have posted this before, but this article does answer alot of questions posted in the documentaries

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

 

[dreamer]

These are the air defences of the world most modern AIRFORCE???

and this is where I think all of the coverups are derived from, not to coverup what hit the pentagon, but to coverup why it was not prevented and why so many mistakes were made

 

[Papi Chulo]

So what you are saying is you belive this never happened and it was a bomb?

maybe... a cruise missile?

 

[scroll99]

I have posted this before, but this article does answer alot of questions posted in the documentaries

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

honestly , you have only one 'rumour' site to present again and again and its seems refering to only two books as a source , that information is not enough at all to anaylsze the all aspects of the such a big and sopishticated attack.... in contrast the material that is being provided covers all aspects and wide variety of sources


Harrison, Rebecca. "Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theory Book Lures French."
Reuters. 1 April 2002.

Henley, Jon. "US Invented Air Attack on Pentagon, Claims French Book."
The Guardian. 1 April 2002.

 

[papasmerf]

maybe... a cruise missile?

now all you have to do is prove who planned it, who fired it and why.

 

[Papi Chulo]

now all you have to do is prove who planned it, who fired it and why.

Did you watch this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

It contains interesting footage of the planes before they hit the WTC and of the scene at the Pentagon

 

[papasmerf]

Did you watch this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

Seen it a few months ago
pay attention to the time lines as well as the use or lack of use of the live voice feed on 9-11. Also pay attention to the fact the video is stung together to support their rants not a presenation of facts aloowed to play out as it did on 9-11

 

[Papi Chulo]

Papa.. here is another interesting read for you

History repeated?

 

[papasmerf]

nothing interesting there
taken out of contex you can match anything in history

 

[scroll99]

So what you are saying is you belive this never happened and it was a bomb?

first of all , I am not saying anything on my own , I am just refering to articles of different theories and trying to debate so may be if we can reach to some agreement and I am being openminded and also trying to understand how these theories can be rejected but so far I havnt seen any concrete evidence which can outright reject these theories....

So with the stragic planning required for such a coordinated strike on 9-111 you figure it took upwards of a year of planning and the Clinton's were behind

Please refer to previous discussion which I posted and Don clarified that these plans are prepared years in advance but ( if i understand correctly) only presented to the Civilian Government before the implemention...