Not if you're attractive lol There is no average time. If a girl don't like you the only way to have sex with her is by paying money. If the girl is attracted to you a chicken sandwich from Popeyes will suffice.
You are attractive =happens on first date
you are average =might take few more dates at fancier places
You are shrek=just pay a SP and get-it-over-with, YMMV
I am not speaking to you directly mate, just piggy backing on your comment. There is what they think and then there is what we men do. If it's a coffee date it's a coffee date.
We lead the encounter.
When enough interest is generated for a woman coffee date or not she will definitely show up. Cheers
That is my opinion. Most girls don't put out on the first date. They leave that for drunken one night stands but on an actual "date" it usually doesn't happen so just save the money for an escort if the goal is to just bust a nut.
Sounds like a dude wrote that and I don't mean that in a bad way. There's a lot of truth to it. But there's no match between paying for a HJ or FS, where you know what you're going to get, because you are paying for it, and meeting a civie who can't wait to have sex with you, for no other reason than you're a major turn-on. No amount of money can buy that feeling, especially when you don't think you were going to get laid in the first place. Ever find yourself meeting someone new and saying, "I can't believe I'm fucking this chick?" Best feeling ever...
Unfortunately nowadays it's harder and harder to get laid on the cheap unless your with the right girl at the right time and she is just incredibly horny and wants dick. It's not like it used to be back in the day when i was in highschool where a girl would suck your dick simply because you were being nice and flirty with her and drove her to the timmies around the corner and bought her a doughnut and coffee.
It's a good feeling but generally works for people who are attractive along with being dressed decently than looking like a bum and/or if she finds out you've got money or are financially stable. The last one I was seeing who didn't want anything was just horny and didn't want a label, strictly just fooling around and it was from a dating app. But like anything it takes a while to find someone who isn't pricey.
If it were me these would be my going for a cheap date ideas...
- Picnic on a warm evening on a patch of grass where you can see the sunset.
- Bar with outdoor patio - couple of drinks and share a plate of fries.... meet late 7-8pm so its kind of a given that you'd have eaten before you go out...
- Museum exhibit... not the standard ROM experience - see if theres something new on...
- CN Tower - yes expensive but its different and instead of drinks just grab an ice cream.
Running out of ideas for Toronto... But if this was Europe...
- A walk down any downtown riverfront or canal grabbing an ice cream. IF and only if you hit it off can end in a bar.
Note: Ive read tons of pick up artist stuff and they say that women often need around 7 hours over 2-3 dates before they are likely to put out. But 3 dates can happen in 1 night. Pick up artists will switch venues often so its... Meet for coffee... continue to a bar.... sit in a park watching the world go by.... go to a restaurant.... walk by the canal.... Thats 5 dates. In a womans mind she has experieced 5 events and so feels like she knows you that much better. Basically dont spend more than 1 round of drinks in any one venue before moving on.
Another old PUA trick. Go into a bank and look through any receipts people leave lying around and find one with a very high balance. Then if you ever meet up with a chick and she wants your number you write it on the back of the receipt.... she will look at the balance....
Probably not as useful now everyone has an app and there's not so many receipts...
A park middle of the day and ice cream. With an SP appointment booked for later that day. That way you can go on the date without expectations.. You'll come off way more chill and less needy (desperate). You'll break the date with her potentially wanting more... you'll have a nice evening no matter what.... and then pick up the date later on that week......
Also just thinking... the sugar in the ice cream might give her a bit of a high/energy....plus the fresh air and walking around. Lots more energy. Scope for walking side by side and accidentally bumping into each other. Can touch her on the back or arm.... compared to a beer which is a depressant...sitting in a dark bar.. probably at opposite sides of a table.... energy slows down... yes it can be romantic.... but how many womens movies on lifetime feature women in bars compared to women walking around parks with ice cream. And no I dont watch lifetime... my old workplace one of the women used to always have it on in the background....its educational.... seriously....
A park middle of the day and ice cream. With an SP appointment booked for later that day. That way you can go on the date without expectations.. You'll come off way more chill and less needy (desperate). You'll break the date with her potentially wanting more... you'll have a nice evening no matter what.... and then pick up the date later on that week......
Also just thinking... the sugar in the ice cream might give her a bit of a high/energy....plus the fresh air and walking around. Lots more energy. Scope for walking side by side and accidentally bumping into each other. Can touch her on the back or arm.... compared to a beer which is a depressant...sitting in a dark bar.. probably at opposite sides of a table.... energy slows down... yes it can be romantic.... but how many womens movies on lifetime feature women in bars compared to women walking around parks with ice cream. And no I dont watch lifetime... my old workplace one of the women used to always have it on in the background....its educational.... seriously....
I think a lot of guys just self reject themselves too fast or always find a reason not to do it. Like a gentleman above saying that the ice cream date will be $50 dollars for two. Actually, i would also add economical trade-off, so if i were to retire in 40 years and consider 5% annual compounding interest rate, this ice cream date would cost me $400 dollars in future value. Not worth it.
Honestly, if you find the right girl, it’s not going to cost you an arm and a leg. I met my long-term ex and took her to a street food stall on our first date, the next thing I knew was us fucking in the backseat of my car parked in an empty church parking lot. I am going call her today
Im gonna start picking up chicks at Goodwill and Value Village then. Then take em to a Church sale for our first date. Last one I went to had home made cookies for $2 and coffee for a dollar. Then if I'm feeling lucky we can take in a few yards= sales
2nd date will be an ice cream in the park. I'll bring the cooler I bought at Goodwill. Inside will be a box of cones from No frills and some PC own brand Vanilla Ice Cream. For desert we will be having a bottle of $8 wine from the LCBO.