Chief editor of The Open Chemical Physics Journal resign

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The distinguished professor Marie-Paule Pileni, professor in nanomaterials at
Université Pierre et Marie Curie i France, who was the chief editor of the peer reviewed Open
Chemical physics Journal, has resigned in protest against the article on nano-thermite.

Link to danish article:http://videnskab.dk/content/dk/natu...or_skrider_efter_kontroversiel_artikel_om_911
Is he protesting against the article itself or against some reaction to the article. Please explain further or provide an english language link.
 

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I give Danmand full honors for posting about this article! That's having a moral compass! (Even if he did post the entire thing in Danish)
 

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But wait, wasn't this just a fake journal anyway? lol.. I got such a kick out how it was down graded here as a nothing burger, first by the troll then by his posse all because they marketed aggressively with email. Tsk tsk. Never mind that they had 110 scientific articles published. That was irrelevant.

This also provides insight as to how Neils Harrit was probably lucky to get their paper published at all, even in this obviously fake journal... :)

Nice article Danmand, thanks for posting.
 

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It is a fake journal. Read between the lines--this 'Chief Editor' was spammed by Bentham and accepted the job without really knowing what she was getting into. They then went on to publish stuff without even bothering to involve this Chief Editor, who upon realizing that she was being scammed decided to resign. The evidence posted by Someone on the other thread is that very few of these 'editors' actually have anything whatsoever to do with the journal, and their names appear there only because someone at Bentham spammed them and they replied to an email.

It was not ALWAYS a fake journal. It appears that it USED to be a legitimate publication that changed ownership to some guy in Pakistan and since then has been a fraud. It was apparently never a very good journal but at least it looks like once upon a time it was making an effort to become one--but it failed, changed ownership, and is now in 'bad hands'.

As to HOW it got published Harrit says that Jones engineered the publication. Jones refuses to say who the peer reviewers were, and likely paid around $800 to have it published with essentially no real review.
 

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Mcluhan said:
But wait, wasn't this just a fake journal anyway?
You don't grasp that it has very serious credibility issues? Read the article in translation, it is more than comprehensible.
 

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You don't grasp that it has very serious credibility issues? Read the article in translation, it is more than conprehenible.
You still don't understand. Here we had a team of credible scientists exposing their careers and their lives to challenge ultimately the US government on POSSIBLY an act of state terrorism. Can you even conceive one iota of how much guts that would take??? Can you? Or what danger they are now in? I can't. But i certainly respect their balls to step forward into the danger zone to do so, and they are doing it on the side of truth. Unless you feel that theirs is one big conspiracy. Maybe its a Danish plot to over throw United States... stranger things have happened. In which case, say goodbye to obesity.

I will go and read the translation now. Just because you asked so nicely. I'll report back monetarily. Standby.
 

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I will go and read the translation now. Just because you asked so nicely. I'll report back monetarily. Standby.
It generaly does help to read the article before one coments upon it.
 

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You don't grasp that it has very serious credibility issues? Read the article in translation, it is more than comprehensible.
Alice you're going to have to help me on this please. What serious credibility issues? Walk me through it. Its been a long day here preparing for 20 dinner guests tomorrow. I'm a little bagged. Cite them please.

It caused great sensation, surprise and suspicion, as the journal The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April published a scientific article on the remnants of nanotermit, which had to be found in large quantities of dust from the World Trade Center.


One of the most surprised is apparently chief editor of the magazine. Professor Marie-Paule Pileni hear the first article as videnskab.dk write to her to ask for her professional assessment of the content of the article. This email will get her right away to slam the door to the magazine.

"I resign as the editor in chief, says the short answer in an email to videnskab.dk.
Printed without permission

A phone call reveals that chief Marie-Paule Pileni never been informed that the article would be put at The Open Chemical Physics Journal, which is published by the journal juggernaut Bentham Science Publishers.

"They have printed the article without my authorization else, so when you wrote to me, I did not mean that the article was published. I can not accept, and I have written to Bentham, that I withdraw myself from all activities with them, "says Marie-Paule Pileni, which daily is a professor specializing in nanomaterials at the prestigious Université Pierre et Marie Curie in France .

She feels not only snigløbet but wonder also that the article on dust tests after the terrorist attack on U.S. 11 September 2001 have actually found their way to The Open Chemical Physics Journal.

"I can not accept that the issue is put in my journal. The article is not about physical chemistry or chemical physics, and I could well believe that there is a political point of view behind the publication. If anyone had asked me, I would say that the article should never have been published in this journal. Sentence, "notes the former chief.
Dumpekarakter the journal READ ALSO

Danish scientist: nano explosive material found in the dust from the World Trade Center

and

Niels Harrit: Scientific evidence of ancient knowledge of 9 / 11

Chief Editor's dramatic departure gives critics an extra reason to doubt the article's conclusions, but Marie-Paule Pilini points out that because the issue is outside her expertise, she can not judge whether the article itself is good or bad.


In return get her publication to The Open Chemical Physics Journal dumpekarakter.

"I was really unsure about them in advance because I had repeatedly asked for information about the magazine without hearing from them. It does not appear in the list of international journals and is a bad sign. Now I see that it is because it is a bad magazine, "says Marie-Paule Pileni and continues:

"There are no references to The Open Chemical Physics Journal of other articles. I have two colleagues who agreed to publish an article that never has been quoted anywhere. If nobody reads it, it is bad magazine, and there is no need for it, "reads the harsh verdict.

The professor says that she a few years ago were invited to be editor of the journal, which would open new opportunities for new researchers, and because she supports the idea of open journals in which articles are accessible to all, she said yes.

"It is important to let people try to succeed, but we must not be allowed to all, and this is something decidedly rubbish. I try to be a serious researcher, and I do not want my name associated with this kind, "ends Marie-Paule Pileni.
Does not alter the study
In a sense there is still smoke coming from the remains of World Trade Center, where three buildings collapsed in 2001. (Arkivfoto: U.S. authorities)

Chief Editor's decision annoyed the Danish chemist Niels Harrit, which is one of the authors of the controversial article on nanotermit in the dust from the World Trade Center.


"It surprised me, and it is unfortunate if it discredits our work. But her departure will not alter our conclusions, because it is a purely human thing, she is sur over. I still believe that we have made chemical physics, and if there is something wrong with our investigation, she must love to criticize us for it, "said Niels Harrit, Associate Professor of Chemistry Institute of the University of Copenhagen.

The Niels Harrit co Steve Jones who has been in charge of contacts with Bentham, and so is the Danish researcher not offhand know what the editor responsible under the group have communicated with.

He knows to turn the names of two researchers - called referees - who have rated the article, but he would not disclose their names because they are 'in principle anonymous.
Dane withdrew from the magazine

Niels Harrit overall at the University of Copenhagen Nils O. Andersen itself has been in the pool of researchers who could be designated as under editor - 'editor' - in an article that was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal. He has recently decided to withdraw from the journal 'Editorial Advisory Board.

He said to videnskab.dk that the decision has nothing to do with Niels Harrit article and that he in fact did not have time to make any experience with the magazine so that he can not throw further light on how the magazine works.

'Open access is an exciting development and principle should test the idea, because there is no reason why commercial publishers make money on our work. But professional journal was the edge of my expertise, and since I had no thanks for being editor of two articles, I decided that I would rather spend my time on something else, "says physicist Nils O. Andersen, dean of Faculty of Science and editor at The European Physical Journal D.

It has not yet been possible to get a comment from Bentham Science Publishers.
 

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Dude, the credibility issue is that this 'journal' is publishing things without even bothering to consult its own chief editor. It is not following ANYTHING resembling a scientific process and the implication is that the only hurdle the article had to clear to be published was a payment of $800 by Steve Jones. Let's not even get into how Steve Jones is a cold fusion researcher who has been essentially fired from his post at a university for his failure to follow rigorous scientific procedures.

I have been pointing out all along that the journal is a fraud, and now its own chief editor agrees. You are going to have to retract calling me a troll since it was over this VERY point that you have been calling me a troll, and it turns out that, of course, I am right.

Danmand I think you owe me an apology as well.
 

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fuji said:
Dude, the credibility issue is that this 'journal' is publishing things without even bothering to consult its own chief editor. It is not following ANYTHING resembling a scientific process and the implication is that the only hurdle the article had to clear to be published was a payment of $800 by Steve Jones. Let's not even get into how Steve Jones is a cold fusion researcher who has been essentially fired from his post at a university for his failure to follow rigorous scientific procedures.

I have been pointing out all along that the journal is a fraud, and now its own chief editor agrees. You are going to have to retract calling me a troll since it was over this VERY point that you have been calling me a troll, and it turns out that, of course, I am right.

Danmand I think you owe me an apology as well.
You are a Troll.
 

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Demand definitely deserves credit for posting this thread. A few things stand out. One is that I cannot imagine the editor-in-chief of an academic journal not knowing something was going to be published in it. The second is the claim by the editor that articles in this journal have never been cited in other journals (if I understand the translation correctly as it is awkwardly worded). Even the most Mickey mouse third rate journals have SOME articles with SOME citations. Three, I have never heard of an $800 fee. I have heard of fees of up to $100 for submission (not for publishing an article, just to cover refereeing costs whether or not an article is accepted). Perhaps submission fees in the natural sciences are higher as they tend to have much more grant money to spend, but $800 seems steep. BTW, Fuji, I did not see that $800 in the article. Was that supposedly a submission fee or a fee the publishing?

Of course this does not necessarily mean there might not be some basis to the article. However, if there was some basis to the article, one has to wonder why the authors did not go for a respectable journal.
 

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You are a Troll.
Apparently you think so only because I pointed out that you were wrong.

By the way, unless you can come up with a credible peer reviewed journal article supporting some of your claims then you are a liar. I am still waiting for you to back up your assertion that the 'scientific community' supports any part of your conspiracy theory.
 

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Mcluhan said:
What serious credibility issues? Walk me through it. Its been a long day here preparing for 20 dinner guests tomorrow. I'm a little bagged. Cite them please.
But Oz, the great, the magnificant shouldn't need to bother others to explain things such as: the supposed editor never had any editorial review, the publisher refuses to release the names of the purported peer reviewers.

After all aren't you all knowing and all seeing? :rolleyes:
 

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BTW, Fuji, I did not see that $800 in the article. Was that supposedly a submission fee or a fee the publishing?
The $800 fee is mentioned on Bentham's site:

http://www.bentham.org/open/oaMembership.php

The blogspot link you previously provided also discussed authors being asked to pay '$600 to $900' to publish in their journals.

In the article danmand posted above Harrit states that Jones (of cold fusion fame) was tasked with arranging publication. This same Jones who was suspended from BYU for failing to follow rigorous academic procedures. Reading between the lines Jones simply located a journal that he could get the article published in without any credible review and likely just paid the $800 fee--or maybe he negotiated it down to $600.
 

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fuji said:
Apparently you think so only because I pointed out that you were wrong.

By the way, unless you can come up with a credible peer reviewed journal article supporting some of your claims then you are a liar. I am still waiting for you to back up your assertion that the 'scientific community' supports any part of your conspiracy theory.
Join the club, it's pretty easy to become a member.... our charter member is Looking..... the crest is an unpaid IOU for $100 from a deadbeat bitch.

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Aardvark154 said:
the publisher refuses to release the names of the purported peer reviewers.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with their not realizing the names to the public as any good journal would do that. Any decent journal at least has a single blind (authors don’t know who the referees are). In my opinion good journals should also have a double bind (referees also don’t know who submit the paper until and unless it is published) but given the internet and google, I realize a double blind is much less effective than it used to be. Nonetheless, a single blind is important. However, for the editor in chief not to know is ridiculous.
 

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Let us not lose sight of what is important here. Either the data presented in the article
(presence of nano-thermite) is repeatable or it is not. That is what matters.
It matters
not what religion or country the scientists belong to, or how reputable the journal is, and
it matters not one bit, if anyone here believes the initial paper or not. (By the way, nobody here has
questioned the scanning electron microscopy (SEM), the X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS),
or the differential scanning calorimetry (DSC) work referenced in the paper).

Surely, others will analyze the 9/11 dust, and the scientific community will decide on the presence or
absence of nano-thermite. It is not a matter of religion or politics.

I found it surprising and newsworthy that someone I know to be a competent
chemistry professor at the University of Copenhagen found evidence of nano-thermitic
particles in the dust from 9/11. I believe it is the only analysis of 9/11 dust. Surely,
others will follow, and the evidence will be proven or refuted. That is how science works.
Maybe some evil person salted the dust with nano-thermitic particles before the
danish professor got his hands on it (as in Bre-X), or maybe it is a case similar to
cold fusion, or maybe the danish professor went crazy a month ago. My point is that this is factual data,
and it is either repeatable or not. No government, organization or conspiracy can make
apples fall upwards. If there are nano-thermitic particles in the dust from 9/11, it will be proven, and we
have to find an explanation why it is there. If not, it will be disproved.
 

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Actually, there is nothing wrong with their not realizing the names to the public as any good journal would do that. Any decent journal at least has a single blind (authors don’t know who the referees are). In my opinion good journals should also have a double bind (referees also don’t know who submit the paper until and unless it is published) but given the internet and google, I realize a double blind is much less effective than it used to be. Nonetheless, a single blind is important. However, for the editor in chief not to know is ridiculous.
I was less than clear - it is that those supposedly in charge of the veting process have no idea who is doing the veting. Pehaps it is different in the humanities - but one always knows who is veting the articles.
 
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