Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil
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Trying to clarify what you are saying here.
Immigration will not affect the 2026 midterms why?
It seems you are saying it did affect 2024, so why would it suddenly not be an issue now?
This is well documented and also happens in Canada.
What do you consider to be this invasion attempt?
You responded to my question, but you didn't answer it.
Again, was Trump president in 2015 and 2016??
but you know more than him?
When it's about trump...
Liberals are...
-expert economists
-expert in warfare
-expert in health
-expert in the US constitution
-expert in immigration
You're skimming my post to arrive at a conclusion about my post.
First and foremost, I said the economy was going to decide the midterms.
However, I said that's an overstatement because the natural rhythm is such that Democrats should control the House in 2027.
We could have said that the morning after the 2024 election.
People might have strong opinions about immigration, but it doesn't necessarily swing elections. Immigration might have had some impact on 2024 voters. If you remember, the Biden Administration recognized the problem at the border and began changing policy in the last year or so of the Biden Presidency.
But again even if immigration was not a perceived problem, the Biden/Harris ticket had to overcome inflation and the last minute candidate replacement. Now this is usually where some liberal jumps in and explains how inflation wasn't Biden's fault. We have had that discussion. All I am saying is that it was a voter concern in 2024. (yes, it still is.)
I think you know more about those topics than Trump, but that really isn't saying much...but you know more than him?
When it's about trump...
Liberals are...
-expert economists
-expert in warfare
-expert in health
-expert in the US constitution
-expert in immigration
Let's be realistic here: Trump has a very thin understanding about all of these things. I mean, just look at the US economy. Manufacturing and job growth have cooled, while prices have risen. And why? Tariffs. They are hurting the US economy more than they are helping. Sure, there is a chance that in the long run the US economy could benefit from all this, with more jobs on-shored, but he keeps negotiating trade deals (none of which have been signed or ratified by congress/senate) and undercutting his supporters. Look at the ranchers and farmers? He is bringing in billions in Argentinian beef, and his moves made China decide not to buy any soya beans from the US...
As for things like warfare, I wouldn't pretend to be an expert. However, I do know what a war crime is. Trump should also figure that out, but let's face it, he's pardoned more than one former soldier who was convicted of a war crime...
As for health, I can safely say that Trump has no understanding or really cares about this. He just wants to write Obama out of things, so he wants to kill the ACA, despite its popularity with most Americans (red and blue folks). He doesn't even have a fucking plan to replace anything...and he's had a decade. That is pretty weak tea...
Finally, immigration. This is a shit show. The reality is, there are nowhere as many undocumented people in the US that Trump and his cronies say. But, I think virtually everyone on both sides of the political spectrum have no problem deporting the ones who do illegal shit. I'm not talking about the ones who ran a stop sign (and DID NOT kill anyone), but the actual MS-13 people or the rapists/murderers/fraudsters etc. However, because ICE is supposed to have a quota of 3,000 detainees or arrests or whatever they're calling it....they are targetting anyone, even those who are working through the system legally. And, they've detained people who are American citizens (or indigenous). That is the problem. And, the trickle down issue is hurting small businesses (and even large ones), because they've lost a labour pool that would do things the average American wouldn't. Like picking crops, roofing, landscaping or working in slaughter houses. They work in kitchens for restaurants, or even Trump properties. But once they're gone, their employers cannot fill the vacancy, because as I just mentioned, most Americans won't do that work for that pay. This is causing businesses to close, which is also hurting their suppliers...and the chain continues.
I will never pretend to be an expert in many things. I am well read, and have some education. But, compared to Trump, I think I have a much deeper understanding on many things.
What are you even talking about?
Immigration was either the #1 or #2 issue (the other being economy) for voters and for Trump throughout all 3 of his runs.
So let me see if I understand.
If someone breaks into an apartment, you think the United States should consider it an act of war by the country that person was born in and start murdering people from that country ?
Yes, but it was the #2 issue for people who voted FOR Trump, not for people who voted against him
I'm avoiding a conclusion until you explain.
You said immigration won't be factor in the midterms.
I saw that.
Thermostatic voting rules the roost?
Is that only for midterms?
So you don't think immigration was a factor in 2024 either?
OK, at least that's consistent.
It is a minor, at best, factor, that people don't really vote on.
Or, if it does matter, is tiny and dwarfed by thermostatic voting tendencies and voting based on the economy.
Is that correct?
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You should stick to dental expertise.but you know more than him?
When it's about trump...
Liberals are...
-expert economists
-expert in warfare
-expert in health
-expert in the US constitution
-expert in immigration
But the people who wanted stricter immigration mainly voted for Trump, and the people that didnt want it (or didnt care much about it) were always going to vote Democrat.
So I dont see how this changes with the midterms coming up
I think lots of people don't know what war crimes are, though.
And many people think "If we do it, it can't be a war crime" is the important part.
