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Phil C. McNasty said:
A country's natural resources are its wealth, especially when you export a large number of them.
When you open up oil, natural gas, critical minerals, mining.......etc you pour hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy.
This economic stimulus benefits ALL Canadians, not just commodity traders. You also lower unemployment!

Jeezus dude, think before you post 😟
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Wait, is phil arguing that we should nationalize our resources so foreign corporations don't take all the profit?

trump turned america into a rogue state.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1999656950922178827
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Valcazar said:
Wait, so "harshly interrogated" is part of it now?
We already gave you examples
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If someone is detained without probable cause, then yes that detention and interrogation would be illegal
I asked for 3 examples, I received none

Valcazar said:
And btw, this guy didn't give his name, so he fails by your own criteria
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He offered the ICE agents his passport (which would obviously have his name on it), but they declined. Did you even watch the video??

Valcazar said:
"Clearly this was a rogue ICE agent who didn't follow proper protocol, and who should be fired" is you projecting.
Let's see if he is fired.
If you can't produce the name of the agent and proof of his firing, then obviously this is actually ICE standard protocol and they only released him because it was caught on camera and got attention from politicians.
(Am I doing it right?)
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You never do it right :D
Victim doesnt necessarily need the ICE agent's name, only his badge number

Valcazar said:
And, amazingly, you are so very proud of yourself here, and yet still can't be bothered to go find something better than a tiktok.
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Whats wrong with tiktok??
Are you saying the video is fake??

Valcazar said:
But, all that said, this should convince you how bad it is.
After all, you (not me) dug up evidence that citizens have been deported routinely in the past.
The researcher you relied on pointed out that the situation is worse with Trump's approach.
You found - all by yourself - proof that citizens are being impacted
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The opposite is actually true. If the situation was worse under Trump we would see videos like this daily, but we dont

Valcazar said:
Your own logic and research leads to one conclusion, but you're going to cling to "It would be all over the news" as a defense, even though it wasn't all over the news in the past
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The study I posted a few days ago proves there were 3,600 cases of US citizens who were illegally deported, so this has happened plenty of times in the past.
Did you forget this already??
 
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Valcazar said:
It might look like profiling to you, but thats because the vast majority of illegal immigrants are brown people. Thats just a fact

No, it is profiling.
The Supreme Court officially gave them permission to racially profile.
Kavanaugh wrote the opinion, which is why these are being called "Kavanaugh stops".

www.scotusblog.com

Justice Brett Kavanaugh and racial proxies

Immigration Matters is a recurring series by César Cuauhtémoc García Hernández that analyzes the court’s immigration docket, highlighting emerging legal questions about new policy and enforcement practices. Please note that […]
www.scotusblog.com www.scotusblog.com
abovethelaw.com

The Kavanaugh Stop’s Legacy: 50 Days, 170+ Detained Citizens, Zero Answers - Above the Law

From the 50-days-more-than-should-have-happened dept
abovethelaw.com abovethelaw.com
www.lawdork.com

The Kavanaugh stop, 50 days later

"What a sick world." And, for paid subscribers: Closing my tabs.
www.lawdork.com www.lawdork.com
lataco.com

Fifteen U.S. Citizens Detained In Over 96 'Kavanaugh Stops,' As Feds Disregard Legal Documentation ~ L.A. TACO

Justice Kavanaugh laid out the framework for how racial profiling is permissible by federal agents leading to what has now been coined as the “Kavanaugh Stop,” by professor Anil Kalhan.
lataco.com lataco.com
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Lets say ICE receives an anonymous tip of an illegal immigrant living or working is a specific location.
Are they then not allowed to apprehend and question this suspect in your opinion because he's a person of colour??
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
If someone is detained without probable cause, then yes that detention and interrogation would be illegal
I asked for 3 examples, I received none
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If I may step in,


  • George Retes (U.S. Citizen): Detained for days without lawyer access during an immigration sweep despite being a U.S. citizen and combat veteran.
  • Leonardo Garcia Venegas (U.S. Citizen): Detained twice after agents dismissed his valid REAL ID as fake, even as he worked on homes.
  • Restaurant Raid (Liberty, MO): 12 people arrested without warrants in a single incident.
  • Julio Noriega: Detained for over 10 hours without a warrant.
  • Sergio & Maria (Deferred Action/U-Visa): Pulled over for a broken taillight, detained without a judicial warrant, even though Maria had a pending U-Visa.
Phil, let the spinning begin!!!!! :LOL:

I am doxxing your old family vid to show how your little fetish started....sorry but it had to be done!!!

ps..you were a cute kid, wtf happened????


 
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Valcazar said:
He's doing tremendous damage, it's true.
But he really hasn't been able to fully consolidate authoritarian power yet.
So who is "winning" in that scenario?
No one, I'd say
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When illegal immigrants are deported Trump is definitely winning 🏆
 
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squeezer said:
If I may step in,


  • George Retes (U.S. Citizen): Detained for days without lawyer access during an immigration sweep despite being a U.S. citizen and combat veteran.
  • Leonardo Garcia Venegas (U.S. Citizen): Detained twice after agents dismissed his valid REAL ID as fake, even as he worked on homes.
  • Restaurant Raid (Liberty, MO): 12 people arrested without warrants in a single incident.
  • Julio Noriega: Detained for over 10 hours without a warrant.
  • Sergio & Maria (Deferred Action/U-Visa): Pulled over for a broken taillight, detained without a judicial warrant, even though Maria had a pending U-Visa.
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It took you Lefties a few days, but finally one of you has produced some names.
Some of your links dont show any news articles though.

But lets assume your info is correct, you list 5 who were in your opinion wrongfully detained people (none of who were deported BTW).
Lets go through them one by one:

If Retes was detained while he produced his ID that showed he was a US citizen, then ICE is in the wrong.
But if he was being detained and couldnt produce his ID, ICE did nothing wrong.
Clearly he was eventually released, so maybe he finally found his passport??

Venegas case. An ICE agent is allowed to detain someone if they feel his ID is fake.
Eventually he too was released after they verified his ID. Nothing wrong with that

The restaurant raid in Liberty produces no names like I asked, it just says 12 people.
FYI ICE doesnt need a warrant to arrest an illegal immigrant: https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=d...&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&as_filetype=&tbs=

Julio Noriega case. ICE is allowed to detain someone for questioning. They dont need a warrant.

Sergio & Maria (Deferred Action/U-Visa). If you have a U-Visa you're allowed to live and work in the US. However, ICE agents still have a right to detain someone and check their papers.
It looks like they too were eventually released, so due process was followed.

But I give you credit for at least finding 5 cases.
A little late though, but better late than never
 
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squeezer said:
If I may step in,


  • George Retes (U.S. Citizen): Detained for days without lawyer access during an immigration sweep despite being a U.S. citizen and combat veteran.
  • Leonardo Garcia Venegas (U.S. Citizen): Detained twice after agents dismissed his valid REAL ID as fake, even as he worked on homes.
  • Restaurant Raid (Liberty, MO): 12 people arrested without warrants in a single incident.
  • Julio Noriega: Detained for over 10 hours without a warrant.
  • Sergio & Maria (Deferred Action/U-Visa): Pulled over for a broken taillight, detained without a judicial warrant, even though Maria had a pending U-Visa.
Phil, let the spinning begin!!!!! :LOL:

I am doxxing your old family vid to show how your little fetish started....sorry but it had to be done!!!

ps..you were a cute kid, wtf happened????


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There is an absolutely brilliant lawyer-porn video where a congressman who must have been a trial lawyer in a past career gets Noem to assert that she had never detained a US citizen, only to introduce US citizens planted in the audience to contradict her 1 after the other and relate publicly how ICE had detained them while Noem squirms in front of the entire Congress.

Noem suddenly claims she has to go to a "fake" meeting and gets up hurriedly and leaves. It's perfect. I jerked off watching it 3 times and am going to watch a few more times this weekend.
 
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mandrill said:
There is an absolutely brilliant lawyer-porn video where a congressman who must have been a trial lawyer in a past career gets Noem to assert that she had never detained a US citizen, only to introduce US citizens planted in the audience to contradict her 1 after the other and relate publicly how ICE had detained them while Noem squirms in front of the entire Congress.

Noem suddenly claims she has to go to a "fake" meeting and gets up hurriedly and leaves. It's perfect. I jerked off watching it 3 times and am going to watch a few more times this weekend.
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Is it this one presented to us by the sexy Yazim?


I'm selling boxes of Kleenex for half price and if you buy the hand cream as an add on, you get free shipping.
 
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