Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil

[WyattEarp]

There is nothing called an alpha human male.
They don't exist.
This is along debunked concept.

Is your purpose here to contradict or dispute anything that even has the slightest hint of opposing your worldview or opposes someone who shares your views?

Shaq, you have to figure out how to have a genuine dialogue with people here you disagree with. There is only one person here who has pushed the boundaries of trolldom more than you. He became a stalker who was pushing a repetitious refrain of various progressive positions.

 

[WyattEarp]

You're exchanging words with a guy who claims a guy with a Nazi flag, with the Canadian flag, a Trudeau flag and the Gadsden flag protesting the mandates by the government wanted to live in a Nazi state, save the energy and let him play in the sandbox alone.
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Yes, I am concerned that the more and more he becomes like Frank I will have to make a similar decision.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Is your purpose here to contradict or dispute anything that even has the slightest hint of opposing your worldview or opposes someone who shares your views?

Shaq, you have to figure out how to have a genuine dialogue with people here you disagree with. There is only one person here who has pushed the boundaries of trolldom more than you. He became a stalker who was pushing a repetitious refrain of various progressive positions.

I am sorry you feel that way because I am not trolling. I never troll.
I am simply being factual that there is nothing called an alpha male.

 

[WyattEarp]

I am sorry you feel that way because I am not trolling. I never troll.
I am simply being factual that there is nothing called an alpha male.

You should drop some things.
Most everyone here understands its meaning regardless of the technical scientific analysis.

 

[Frankfooter]

It was a drug boat lmao...you can't identify between a man or a woman yet somehow you can identify a drug boat? Lmao

Why, because it was a speed boat?
Are you now an expert on 'drug boats'?
You think this boat would make it all the way to america?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1996739773973639634

 

[Frankfooter]

Is your purpose here to contradict or dispute anything that even has the slightest hint of opposing your worldview or opposes someone who shares your views?

Shaq, you have to figure out how to have a genuine dialogue with people here you disagree with. There is only one person here who has pushed the boundaries of trolldom more than you. He became a stalker who was pushing a repetitious refrain of various progressive positions.

You mean rich, the guy who admits he is just trolling and post the same gifs over and over again?
Or does your definition of trolling only apply to left wingers?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There is nothing called an alpha human male.
They don't exist.
This is along debunked concept.

I don't know about alpha males, but from my experience in life this study is spot on

Strong men are usually conservative

Strong men come across as more conservative, study finds

A study published in Personality and Individual Differences found that physically strong men are perceived as more conservative. The research indicated that physically strong men are viewed as favoring policies that support competition and hierarchy, and such men are also seen as likely to value...

www.psypost.org

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12522275/What-physical-strength-says-political-orientation-Strong-men-seen-conservative-study-finds.html

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't know about alpha males, but from my experience in life this study is spot on

Strong men are usually conservative

Strong men come across as more conservative, study finds

A study published in Personality and Individual Differences found that physically strong men are perceived as more conservative. The research indicated that physically strong men are viewed as favoring policies that support competition and hierarchy, and such men are also seen as likely to value...

www.psypost.org

sure
strong but stupid

 

[silentkisser]

Your post was well written even if it is the same old and often repeated arguments attempting to legitimize illegal immigration.
I am curious. Did you find it difficult to insert "millions" to make this statement above truly accurate?

Yes, there are a few million undocumented people in the US. How many, who can say. The Pew Research group believes that number was around 14 million in 2023. But, it is impossible to really say. But that doesn't really change the overall argument. The reality is the US economy is greased by the undocumented. Saying otherwise is a lie. If you were to deport all of them, it would have a catastrophic impact on the US economy. We're actually seeing some of that damage right now.

Look, as I said, I do not have the answers here. I understand and believe that fair immigration is important, and undocumented people can be a problem. But, for the most part, they are expanding the US economy, not weighing it down. And, I acknowledge that there are no easy answers. Deporting tears families apart, and the Trump administration is sending refugees back to places where they face persecution, torture and death. But, also giving undocumented a pathway to citizenship also would increase the numbers crossing the border. There is no simple solution, but what ever gets done will hurt both sides (left v right) in one way or the other.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, there are a few million undocumented people in the US. How many, who can say. The Pew Research group believes that number was around 14 million in 2023. But, it is impossible to really say. But that doesn't really change the overall argument. The reality is the US economy is greased by the undocumented. Saying otherwise is a lie. If you were to deport all of them, it would have a catastrophic impact on the US economy. We're actually seeing some of that damage right now.

Look, as I said, I do not have the answers here. I understand and believe that fair immigration is important, and undocumented people can be a problem. But, for the most part, they are expanding the US economy, not weighing it down. And, I acknowledge that there are no easy answers. Deporting tears families apart, and the Trump administration is sending refugees back to places where they face persecution, torture and death. But, also giving undocumented a pathway to citizenship also would increase the numbers crossing the border. There is no simple solution, but what ever gets done will hurt both sides (left v right) in one way or the other.

It should also be noted that american right wing policy is making global emigration issues much worse.

- supporting despots so the states can take their oil/resources drives people out of their countries
- backing wars in the middle east filled Canada with Syrians for a few years and then Ukrainians
- backing oil$gas climate change is causing mass emigration from countries suffering mass crop failure

So when right wingers use the lifeboat analogy they won't admit that they are the ones sinking all the other boats around them.

 

[richaceg]

It should also be noted that american right wing policy is making global emigration issues much worse.

- supporting despots so the states can take their oil/resources drives people out of their countries
- backing wars in the middle east filled Canada with Syrians for a few years and then Ukrainians
- backing oil$gas climate change is causing mass emigration from countries suffering mass crop failure

So when right wingers use the lifeboat analogy they won't admit that they are the ones sinking all the other boats around them.

Was Obama and Biden filling Canada with Afghan refugee also a "right wing policy"?
Ukraine - Russia war happened under Joe Biden's watch franky...

 

[squeezer]

The death spiral of Donald J. Trump's tariffs,

Just look at this shift’: Enten on public support for Trump’s tariffs

 

[richaceg]

The death spiral of Donald J. Trump's tariffs,

Just look at this shift’: Enten on public support for Trump’s tariffs

only Democrats felt the tariffs...lmao.

 

[WyattEarp]

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Yes, there are a few million undocumented people in the US. How many, who can say. The Pew Research group believes that number was around 14 million in 2023. But, it is impossible to really say. But that doesn't really change the overall argument. The reality is the US economy is greased by the undocumented. Saying otherwise is a lie. If you were to deport all of them, it would have a catastrophic impact on the US economy. We're actually seeing some of that damage right now.

Look, as I said, I do not have the answers here. I understand and believe that fair immigration is important, and undocumented people can be a problem. But, for the most part, they are expanding the US economy, not weighing it down. And, I acknowledge that there are no easy answers. Deporting tears families apart, and the Trump administration is sending refugees back to places where they face persecution, torture and death. But, also giving undocumented a pathway to citizenship also would increase the numbers crossing the border. There is no simple solution, but what ever gets done will hurt both sides (left v right) in one way or the other.

Perhaps I can provide a Canadian example to give you some perspective on the delicate balance of immigration and the economy. Canada has been absorbing more immigrants the past several years. Over the years, economists and financial experts noticed that Canada was in a slow growth cycle while immigration increased. The result was productivity growth was stalling. That's not to say the immigrants were directly causing low productivity. However, one could surmise Canada's immigration exceeded its need for new workers.

Let me switch to a very simple example on immigration and productivity. Let's say you are an affluent guy and you buy a bigger house with a bigger yard. You hire a cleaning lady and a landscaper who don't have their papers. Does this add to my country's productivity? Productivity has likely decreased because productivity is measured by the value of output divided by workers. Productivity is a key metric of national wealth.

Well anticipating your counter, you might say someone cleaning my house and cutting my lawn frees me up to be more productive. The answer is yes and no. Economists wrestle with these exact issues. Clearly at some point, Americans are relying on migrants to do and more things for them. There is also the problem of able-bodied Americans (and Canadians) not working at all. That's a net deficit to productivity.

Now what happens if I tell my son he has to cut the lawn. You know like the good old days when kids did chores. Such a conservative notion, I know. Notice how this little switch is a better outcome for the nation's productivity. You can accomplish the same result by hiring the neighbor's son or an underemployed American.

 

[squeezer]

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Perhaps I can provide a Canadian example to give you some perspective on the delicate balance of immigration and the economy. Canada has been absorbing more immigrants the past several years. Over the years, economists and financial experts noticed that Canada was in a slow growth cycle while immigration increased. The result was productivity growth was stalling. That's not to say the immigrants were directly causing low productivity. However, one could surmise Canada's immigration exceeded its need for new workers.

Let me switch to a very simple example on immigration and productivity. Let's say you are an affluent guy and you buy a bigger house with a bigger yard. You hire a cleaning lady and a landscaper who don't have their papers. Does this add to my country's productivity? Productivity has likely decreased because productivity is measured by the value of output divided by workers. Productivity is a key metric of national wealth.

Well anticipating your counter, you might say someone cleaning my house and cutting my lawn frees me up to be more productive. The answer is yes and no. Economists wrestle with these exact issues. Clearly at some point, Americans are relying on migrants to do and more things for them. There is also the problem of able-bodied Americans (and Canadians) not working at all. That's a net deficit to productivity.

Now what happens if I tell my son he has to cut the lawn. You know like the good old days when kids did chores. Such a conservative notion, I know. Notice how this little switch is a better outcome for the nation's productivity. You can accomplish the same result by hiring the neighbor's son or an underemployed American.

Sorry for the interruption, I will just leave these here and get back to my coffee.

Labour shortages in Canada’s agriculture sector are holding back growth | CIBC Thought Leadership

Canada’s agri-food sector is one of the country’s economic engines, generating over $150 billion in GDP. Labour shortages are a growing concern, however, with tens of thousands of jobs going unfilled during peak season. To understand more about the scope of the problem and potential solutions...

thoughtleadership.cibc.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/15/farm-labor-shortage-pennsylvania-trump-immigration-00560820?ICID=ref_fark&fbclid=IwY2xjawM6Vu5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHqGrzOotriME1JY-E10jARpNXulUXzmGPVY5dOgPGpN29_BIyidTW33cqD8Y_aem_4FvxovxdKJTxEaYztopt3Q&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!​

 

[Frankfooter]

Was Obama and Biden filling Canada with Afghan refugee also a "right wing policy"?
Ukraine - Russia war happened under Joe Biden's watch franky...

Oh right, you think Obama and Biden were left wing.
I sometimes forget how out of it you are.

 

[squeezer]

The MAGA TURMOIL continues as Republicans slowly turn on King Trump

 

[WyattEarp]

Sorry for the interruption, I will just leave these here and get back to my coffee.

Labour shortages in Canada’s agriculture sector are holding back growth | CIBC Thought Leadership

Canada’s agri-food sector is one of the country’s economic engines, generating over $150 billion in GDP. Labour shortages are a growing concern, however, with tens of thousands of jobs going unfilled during peak season. To understand more about the scope of the problem and potential solutions...

thoughtleadership.cibc.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/15/farm-labor-shortage-pennsylvania-trump-immigration-00560820?ICID=ref_fark&fbclid=IwY2xjawM6Vu5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHqGrzOotriME1JY-E10jARpNXulUXzmGPVY5dOgPGpN29_BIyidTW33cqD8Y_aem_4FvxovxdKJTxEaYztopt3Q&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark

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I said immigration and the economy was a delicate balance. I didn't say no immigration.
You kind of have to take in everything.

It's fairly obvious that the agriculture sector pays low wages and wants to continue to do so. Most pro-mass immigration supporters will argue for more immigration in one breath and higher wages in the other.

Native Canadians and even migrants flocking to three main cities is an issue. Here in the U.S. most of the migrants who showed up during the Biden years flooded the cities.

You should read through CIBC's prescriptions to deal with agricultural labor shortages.

Producers across the country depend on programs like the Temporary Foreign Worker Program and the Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program to meet essential labour needs—particularly during peak growing and harvest periods.

In parallel, greater investment in automation and precision agriculture will help reduce labour intensity in key areas of production.

Another key pillar is building a stronger domestic workforce. That means investing in skills training, promoting careers in agriculture, and removing barriers to entry for underrepresented groups—including youth, newcomers, and Indigenous communities.

Don't you hate when CIBC pretzels?

 

[silentkisser]

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Perhaps I can provide a Canadian example to give you some perspective on the delicate balance of immigration and the economy. Canada has been absorbing more immigrants the past several years. Over the years, economists and financial experts noticed that Canada was in a slow growth cycle while immigration increased. The result was productivity growth was stalling. That's not to say the immigrants were directly causing low productivity. However, one could surmise Canada's immigration exceeded its need for new workers.

Let me switch to a very simple example on immigration and productivity. Let's say you are an affluent guy and you buy a bigger house with a bigger yard. You hire a cleaning lady and a landscaper who don't have their papers. Does this add to my country's productivity? Productivity has likely decreased because productivity is measured by the value of output divided by workers. Productivity is a key metric of national wealth.

Well anticipating your counter, you might say someone cleaning my house and cutting my lawn frees me up to be more productive. The answer is yes and no. Economists wrestle with these exact issues. Clearly at some point, Americans are relying on migrants to do and more things for them. There is also the problem of able-bodied Americans (and Canadians) not working at all. That's a net deficit to productivity.

Now what happens if I tell my son he has to cut the lawn. You know like the good old days when kids did chores. Such a conservative notion, I know. Notice how this little switch is a better outcome for the nation's productivity. You can accomplish the same result by hiring the neighbor's son or an underemployed American.

There are many reasons for Canada's declining productivity, and while immigration is the list, it isn't the biggest factor. Canadian businesses have historically been slow to modernize and buy new equipment/software that would improve productivity, compared to US or European businesses. There are other issues right now, specifically Trump's tariffs, which has increased business uncertainty and seen divestment from companies (like Stellantis). Canadian businesses are also less inclined, for the most part, to invest in R&D, which means innovation is lacking. But, you are correct, having more immigrants does diminish productivity levels. However, the argument can be made that they help bolster the economy, since they buy more goods and services. Yes, I understand they can cause inflationary growth as well, but that's not always a bad thing (inflation is growth, and the Bank of Canada wants the Canadian economy to see around 2% inflation to be healthy).