it is indeed! also to add, not every provider's current status in this country/ social capital will have them engage LE, which is rather sad
Client Ripping Off A Lady
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It depends on the rapport between the provider and client. You are not confrontational at all, my friend.
none taken bud. But lets talk since this is an interesting topic. I think were talking about 2 different things. Im not talking about the thousand scam new ads which have no history at all or the amazon online scam artists (which youve never met in person and will never lol )
Im talking about providers with some history/ reviews
If you're interested in a particular provider, once you have researched this provider on different boards, you still might be hesitant since this is your first time with this provider, but as I said, if its a reputed provider, worst case chances are it'll not be outright robbery, but service might be so-so
With the 'regulars' you see, youve seen em once, then twice, why would you not pay the provider upfront? And also, why would this 'regular' provider be okay continuing to be paid after the session? It could be rapport as you said, but you could take advantage of the provider, either now, on in the not-so distant future.
I'm not a fan of the interac initial deposits by some providers here but I'd rather research the provider before, show up, pay the provider upfront in person before the session starts than be forced to hand over my SIN #, FB, insta handle or contact a SP using a non burner number / go through levels of security clearences with the provider...lets keep it simple guys
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True! I am privileged and forgot that detail. I reported their numbers on different channels. Hopefully, at least, that's their last time raping anyone. I also hope they come to their right mind and make it up the the lady.
This has been my experience too. Even before I’m told I just like to get it out of the way. Then again I’ve never been ripped off (yet!)
It is unfortunate when either side is ripped off, client or provider.
There is a difference though and that is when a provider is ripped off after services rendered, it is a sexual violation and removal of the consent she had given.
When a client is ripped off, that is theft or fraud.
When a provider is ripped off it is fraud and rape.
I think Jenesis said above that it was and fraud was the only charge given.
Even if the law doesn't recognize it as rape, the rules of consent and the feelings of violation say that it is.
We all know how spotty the law is regarding sex work and sex workers.
Actually, while I personally agree, in the eyes of the law - it is still fraud/theft. Depending on the type of non-payment, etc. An SP I know just went through this. He was final sentenced about a year, maybe two ago but he did this to a few women. She was the only "sex worker" in the collective case and he wrote her a bounced cheque. I won't get into why it was a check. With the other women, it was the promise of an apartment for one and other promises for another. It was still sex for monetary value, he just got smart and didn’t do it to "sex workers" anymore. Although it is believed there were plenty of sex workers he did rip off who just didn’t report it. He started picking vulnerable women in really bad positions who would agree to other things as well other then money. So for him it was fraud. They did try for sexual assault but it was dismissed. Here is a news article. I couldn't find the sentencing and I can't remember what she said he got. It was not worth all he had done though.
Huntsville man facing charges of sexual assault, fraud
A Huntsville man will be in court in late January to face sexual assault, fraud charges and more.
www.muskokaregion.com
just a couple years ago a man in Ajax was charged with theft however.
Ajax man charged with allegedly refusing to pay sex workers for services
An Ajax man is facing charges after three sex workers alleged he didn't pay for sexual services.
www.durhamregion.com
The violation my GF felt was that of a sexual assault. As well as the women in her collective case. The law doesn’t always capture the true nature of a crime.
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The law needed to be updated in 2014 when the sexual service laws changed.
We don’t need those time selling legal protections anymore. We are legally allowed to be selling our sexual services.
But who says that the payment is for the woman's time and that anything else is voluntary and unrelated to the exchange of money?
I sure don't.
My website is very clear that you are paying for sexual services and it is legal for me to do so.
That information is outdated.
We are free to legally advertise our own sexual services.
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you spelt out what I tried to say! thanks.
you and I and everybody else knows this is true, but its very very very hard to prove in court
I think the law needs to be updated again so that both sides are protected. I've said it before. It needs to be fully legalized for both parties. The government needs to get over the "controversial" part of legalizing it fully. Sex work has become so prominent as a viable career in the last 5 years more than ever before and they need to recognize that.
I agree that guys defrauding and, like @KittyCaterina said, raping SPs and it should legally be treated as such. There does need more legal protection from shitty clients like these than just fraud. Just as us clients need protection from all these scammers and fake ads. I'm sure even with legal protection, it will still happen but both sides will actually have teeth to defend themselves with should they need to. There are so many other countries where sex work is fully legalized for both parties and it ultimately is better for everyone.
I agree that guys defrauding and, like @KittyCaterina said, raping SPs and it should legally be treated as such. There does need more legal protection from shitty clients like these than just fraud. Just as us clients need protection from all these scammers and fake ads. I'm sure even with legal protection, it will still happen but both sides will actually have teeth to defend themselves with should they need to. There are so many other countries where sex work is fully legalized for both parties and it ultimately is better for everyone.
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Legalization turns the government into our pimps and makes guys come out into the public. Can you image needing to regrister with an escort with full information?
Legalizing makes us getting licensing and says where and when we can work, etc. it is not the way.
Decriminalization and makes laws that protect both sides.
Not legalized. Decriminalization is the only way.
Legalization turns the government into our pimps and makes guys come out into the public. Can you image needing to regrister with an escort with full information?
Legalizing makes us getting licensing and says where and when we can work, etc. it is not the way.
Decriminalization and makes laws that protect both sides.
Thank you for understanding what I meant lol Appreciate the clarification!
What does that have to do with what she said? The commenter said that the men are only charged with theft/fraud because they are purchasing the ladies time. Kitty and both pointed out that we are openly selling sexual services so the consent we give for sex comes from the exchange of money and that money is not paid, then the charge should be that if a sexual assault.
We know it is not legal for you to what does that have to do with ripping us off and being charged for it?
Idk what Newdave meant either but wouldn't decriminalization also solve that? If it were across the board wouldn't it mean 'not illegal' to sell/buy?
