Climate change deniers - Help me out!

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So, it's just possible that humans are not the cause of climate change. We have a choice of spending a lot of money to reduce the poisons we are pumping into the atmosphere and hope that we can begin reversing climate change or we can do nothing and hope. If we are not the cause of climate change or it's not really changing at all, we have wasted a lot of money. If we do nothing and we are the cause, we die. Waste money or die....hmmmmm
 

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The MIC is working on that!...:eek:
 

blackrock13

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Did you watch this whole thing or are you asking us to do it for you? how long is it? It's late and I got other stuff to do. What I did glean is that he tries to say here we go again, so what. It's not, as we are in a situation we've never been before 6 billion people and shit being shot in the biosphere that has never been there before. He is right we are guessing, but it's an educated guess. He's not proving or disproving anything. He's just asking you to ponder stuff for a while. As much as I respect Gwynne Dyers' opinion on many things, this foré into the earths sciences has me stumped.
 

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i don't listen to Al Gore...but if David Suzuki says something is going on I tend to respect him a bit .To me, he is THE predominant voice of science for Canada.
 

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At best, David Suzuki is the voice of fictional science, if not science fiction! He is an egomanical fraudster who could only be the child of the no-reality-required CBC.
 

blackrock13

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At best, David Suzuki is the voice of fictional science, if not science fiction! He is an egomanical fraudster who could only be the child of the no-reality-required CBC.
Thanks for coming out.

You've never met the man, never worked along side him and probably never read any of his books, so you're opinion lack much basis and is just gum flapping, nothing more.
 

blackrock13

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Yep it is my opinion. And like a belly-button, everyone's got at least one!

What's yours?
Nice quip about the belly botton, but just as useful as your last one. You're question about my opinion confirms what I said. If you'd been contributing early last fall to the numerous climate threads that were on this BB instead of just parachuting in on a whim because you were bored, you'd know my opinion and my stance. It doesn't need to be repeated in great deal here.

You don't spend over 50 years in the international scientific and academic community, earn numerous degree from over 20 Canadian and international universities because you're a charlatan and use fictional science.
 

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Do as I say.......not as I do?????

The Winnipeg Sun's Tom Brodbeck chides David Suzuki for using a polluting, diesel-powered bus for his cross-country global warming tour:

Political activist David Suzuki -- on a cross-country tour urging Canadians and politicians to drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions -- may want to look in his own backyard before lecturing Canadians on how they're destroying the Earth.
With all the alternative-energy modes of transportation out there, Suzuki and his entourage are crossing Canada in a sprawling, "rock-star-style" diesel-burning tour bus, emitting more greenhouse gases during his 30-day tour than many of us do in a year.

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Suzuki could at least have found a biodiesel bus, which emits far less greenhouse gases than conventional diesel.

"We were hoping to have biodiesel," Curan explained by phone, as the Suzuki tour drove out of Winnipeg yesterday. "But we were told towards the beginning of the tour -- for this company that we're going through -- that it would void the warranty."

Void the warranty?

Void the warranty? I see.

Suzuki is the same guy who tells us if we're not car-pooling, switching to smaller, more efficient vehicles, using transit and other alternative modes of transportation, we're sticking it to our grandchildren. We're killing the Earth.

You want to know how many people are travelling with Mr. Kyoto in this oversized carbon burner? Seven. Sometimes eight -- including the bus driver.

Eight people in a vehicle that could probably hold 30.

To be fair, Suzuki's foundation is buying "carbon credits" to offset the greenhouse gases emitted on his tour. But he couldn't he have reached many of his stops by train?
 

blackrock13

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The Winnipeg Sun's Tom Brodbeck chides David Suzuki for using a polluting, diesel-powered bus for his cross-country global warming tour:

Political activist David Suzuki -- on a cross-country tour urging Canadians and politicians to drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions -- may want to look in his own backyard before lecturing Canadians on how they're destroying the Earth.
With all the alternative-energy modes of transportation out there, Suzuki and his entourage are crossing Canada in a sprawling, "rock-star-style" diesel-burning tour bus, emitting more greenhouse gases during his 30-day tour than many of us do in a year.

[...]

Suzuki could at least have found a biodiesel bus, which emits far less greenhouse gases than conventional diesel.

"We were hoping to have biodiesel," Curan explained by phone, as the Suzuki tour drove out of Winnipeg yesterday. "But we were told towards the beginning of the tour -- for this company that we're going through -- that it would void the warranty."

Void the warranty?

Void the warranty? I see.

Suzuki is the same guy who tells us if we're not car-pooling, switching to smaller, more efficient vehicles, using transit and other alternative modes of transportation, we're sticking it to our grandchildren. We're killing the Earth.

You want to know how many people are travelling with Mr. Kyoto in this oversized carbon burner? Seven. Sometimes eight -- including the bus driver.

Eight people in a vehicle that could probably hold 30.

To be fair, Suzuki's foundation is buying "carbon credits" to offset the greenhouse gases emitted on his tour. But he couldn't he have reached many of his stops by train?


He was right about the warranties, but you have a point about the passenger load but you might want to check on the gear that a traveling road show like this carries along with it. The bus may have had only 6/8 humans, but it may have been fully loaded or had sleeping accommodations. As far as the train, ask Elizabeth May how her cross country tour was and what it was like keeping up with the train schedules.
 

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What does it matter if man-caused climate change—which most respectable scienteist are convinced is happening—or some other nasty outcome results from the unchecked wasteful energy and resource use and pollution generation of a larger population than the world has ever known? Is anyone really so blind, ignorant and stupid to imagine that we can get away forever with greedily using stuff up faster and faster and just chucking the 'waste' into the air, the water and all over the landscape until there's nothing left and there will be no consequences?

When China's the world's biggest producer and consumer of clean energy—if you watched the Olympics then you know they have incentive—how patient d'ya think they'll be with BigCoal-enslaved America polluting the world faster than any one else, at rates in the double digits per capita. And who holds the notes that prop up the Yankee dollar?

Let's not think about water wars, but we do share the world's biggest supply with the world's greediest user. One that's already experiencing domestic water 'wars' in the SW, and still has an appetite to flush away bad stuff—Chicago sewage—with clean.

'All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing' would seem a lot more reasonable a rule to live by than, 'When you can prove your science, then maybe…' And long before we need to 'know' climate change is or isn't a fact there's lot's of good somethings to be done. Like getting StupidUselessVehicles off the road, like reusing stuff instead of junking it, like pollution cost pricing, like…

Besides, how can anyone prove any science to people who believe Intelligent Design is science, or that the Dinosaurs walked the earth the same time as man?

Perhaps the answer is to improve the jury selection process. Somethin's happenin' here and you don't know what it is do you Mr. Jones?

There was a time fish were so plentiful in the Don, you could scoop them out, and the Sunday roasts for weeks were a few cents of powder and shot away from your door. Don't miss it? Then aguing 'Is Global Warming Real' in a Summer of 30 SMOG days locked in AC'd discomfort and wearing a mask to get to your AC'd SmartCar to drive an hour or more to lock yourself in an ACd house on a summer night to watch a TV fantasy-world that doesn't stink, will suit you fine.

It's here already, and doing nothing will guarantee there'll be enough of that hideousness for all the billions of children the six billion of us now here (when I was in school it was barely 1.5billion) are gonna spawn.

So it really doesn't matter about climate change: billions of people living with the me-first example of the first world have plenty of casus belli already. What are we doing to change ?
 

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What does it matter if man-caused climate change—which most respectable scienteist are convinced is happening—or some other nasty outcome results from the unchecked wasteful energy and resource use and pollution generation of a larger population than the world has ever known? Is anyone really so blind, ignorant and stupid to imagine that we can get away forever with greedily using stuff up faster and faster and just chucking the 'waste' into the air, the water and all over the landscape until there's nothing left and there will be no consequences?

When China's the world's biggest producer and consumer of clean energy—if you watched the Olympics then you know they have incentive—how patient d'ya think they'll be with BigCoal-enslaved America polluting the world faster than any one else, at rates in the double digits per capita. And who holds the notes that prop up the Yankee dollar?

Let's not think about water wars, but we do share the world's biggest supply with the world's greediest user. One that's already experiencing domestic water 'wars' in the SW, and still has an appetite to flush away bad stuff—Chicago sewage—with clean.

'All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing' would seem a lot more reasonable a rule to live by than, 'When you can prove your science, then maybe…' And long before we need to 'know' climate change is or isn't a fact there's lot's of good somethings to be done. Like getting StupidUselessVehicles off the road, like reusing stuff instead of junking it, like pollution cost pricing, like…


This would be the same china that is commisioning a coal fired palnt per week ?
Besides, how can anone prove any science to people who believe Intelligent Design is science, or that the Dinosaurs walked the earth the same time as man?

Perhaps the answer is to improve the jury selection process. Somethin's happenin' here and you don't know what it is do you Mr. Jones?

There was a time fish were so plentiful in the Don, you could scoop them out, and the Sunday roasts for weeks were a few cents of powder and shot away from your door. Don't miss it? Then aguing 'Is Global Warming Real' in a Summer of 30 SMOG days locked in AC'd discomfort and wearing a mask to get to your AC'd SmartCar to drive an hour or more to lock yourself in an ACd house on a summer night to watch a TV fantasy-world that doesn't stink, will suit you fine. And it's here.

This would be the same china that is commisioning a coal fired plant per week ?
 

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Nice quip about the belly botton, but just as useful as your last one. You're question about my opinion confirms what I said. If you'd been contributing early last fall to the numerous climate threads that were on this BB instead of just parachuting in on a whim because you were bored, you'd know my opinion and my stance. It doesn't need to be repeated in great deal here.

You don't spend over 50 years in the international scientific and academic community, earn numerous degree from over 20 Canadian and international universities because you're a charlatan and use fictional science.
I'm not denying that David Suzuki is an intelligent man but his PhD is in Zoology, not climatology. And his 22 other degrees are honorary degrees. I, for one, believe a climatologist is a glorified meteorologist. Predicting weather patterns over long periods is next to impossible. There is no empirical evidence, no climate model that can accurately do so. As such there is no empiracal evidence that quantifies the effect of carbon emissions with temperature increases. NONE, ZILCH, NADA. If there were you'd have way more scientists of the physical sciences - physicists, chemists, earth scientists - putting their name to the IPCC. But they're not because the majority of these scientists are skeptics or deniers.

99% of scientists believed the earth was flat. So to say that because the majority of scientists believe that man made global warming is significant it must be correc, is not a valid argument
 

blackrock13

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I'm not denying that David Suzuki is an intelligent man but his PhD is in Zoology, not climatology. And his 22 other degrees are honorary degrees. I, for one, believe a climatologist is a glorified meteorologist. Predicting weather patterns over long periods is next to impossible. There is no empirical evidence, no climate model that can accurately do so. As such there is no empiracal evidence that quantifies the effect of carbon emissions with temperature increases. NONE, ZILCH, NADA. If there were you'd have way more scientists of the physical sciences - physicists, chemists, earth scientists - putting their name to the IPCC. But they're not because the majority of these scientists are skeptics or deniers.

99% of scientists believed the earth was flat. So to say that because the majority of scientists believe that man made global warming is significant it must be correc, is not a valid argument


Actually his Doctorate was in Genetics which means he has a really good understand of population dynamics. Without going in too deep, that gives him real strong understanding population growth or lack there of, good biochemical background biochemistry and and yes not a bad understanding of climatology because of the strong connection between climate and the effect it has on genetic clocks. Since his graduation in the early 60's he's probably picked up a few other disciplines by osmosis, hanging around some of the brightest minds in their field. It does happen.

Your confusion between climatology and meteorology clearly shows that you have much to learn about both of those disciplines.

When did 99% of the scientist believe the earth was flat? Most who did had strong church connections. 99% of the scientist didn't believe the earth was flat. Many walked a fine line to stay in favour with the ruling class and the church. Many thinkers of ancient times, mathematician and researchers in the early centuries after Christ also felt there was something wrong with that line of thinking. Through simple observations and advance math 'proved' it so and estimated the diameter and the circumference of the earth incredibly close to the true value, but again had to balance their thoughts with their teachings.

The science is not totally accurate and you're demanding absolute values and that's very difficult, if not impossible, at this stage, yet the trends are there and time is against us. The numbers have been shown in past posts on Terb and I buy them because I've seen the effects of the changes firsthand and I'll bet no one else here on TERB has to same extent. I've seen river beds and basin lower than at any other time in 10,000 years (recorded history). I've seen mountain tops exposed to the sun that have never seen the sun ever and I have seen bedrock exposed that has never been exposed in 200,000 years. So you can doubt all you want but open your eyes and see. We can guess right a 100 times and be alright, but if we guess wrong once it can be too late and mankind will loose big time.

Gwynn Dyer's video had a statement that I felt was weak. We can't 'control' the climate, we can only influence it and we're really early in that research right now.

You make it sound like Honorary degrees aren't valid. You don't get them out of a Cracker Jack Boxes, certainly not in that discipline. You can't be studying for degrees all you life. Their akin to Life time achievement awards which are in most cases more revered than winning in a particular category.
 

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From davidsuzuki.org:

David Suzuki, Co-Founder of the David Suzuki Foundation, is an award-winning scientist, environmentalist and broadcaster. He is renowned for his radio and television programs that explain the complexities of the natural sciences in a compelling, easily understood way.
Dr. Suzuki is a geneticist. He graduated from Amherst College (Massachusetts) in 1958 with an Honours BA in Biology, followed by a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Chicago in 1961. He held a research associateship in the Biology Division of Tennessee’s Oak Ridge National Lab (1961 – 62), was an Assistant Professor in Genetics at the University of Alberta (1962 – 63), and since then has been a faculty member of the University of British Columbia. He is now Professor Emeritus at UBC.

So yes, his PhD is in zoology.And he has been a professor of genetics. And today he is an activist.
 

blackrock13

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From davidsuzuki.org:

David Suzuki, Co-Founder of the David Suzuki Foundation, is an award-winning scientist, environmentalist and broadcaster. He is renowned for his radio and television programs that explain the complexities of the natural sciences in a compelling, easily understood way.
Dr. Suzuki is a geneticist. He graduated from Amherst College (Massachusetts) in 1958 with an Honours BA in Biology, followed by a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Chicago in 1961. He held a research associateship in the Biology Division of Tennessee’s Oak Ridge National Lab (1961 – 62), was an Assistant Professor in Genetics at the University of Alberta (1962 – 63), and since then has been a faculty member of the University of British Columbia. He is now Professor Emeritus at UBC.

So yes, his PhD is in zoology.And he has been a professor of genetics. And today he is an activist.
..... and what area of study was his thesis, Genetics? I think that qualifies him as a geneticist with all the qualifications/background I mentioned earlier. You could have your medical degree, but you are not at all qualified as a brain surgeon.

Why was this made so complicated?
 

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He was right about the warranties, but you have a point about the passenger load but you might want to check on the gear that a traveling road show like this carries along with it. The bus may have had only 6/8 humans, but it may have been fully loaded or had sleeping accommodations. As far as the train, ask Elizabeth May how her cross country tour was and what it was like keeping up with the train schedules.
Ah, so this would be like PETA holding a luncheon to explain the evils of eating animals. only to serve veal because vegitables were out of season or inconvenient to obtain?
 

blackrock13

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Ah, so this would be like PETA holding a luncheon to explain the evils of eating animals. only to serve veal because vegitables were out of season or inconvenient to obtain?
Not quite, but what do you suggest, a conga line of Prius hatchbacks with roof racks and pup trailers or a pod of tricycle with side cars and large umbrellas with covers made from PV cell arrays? Don't think that would work well. Others might look at that as showboating. You can't win for trying.
 
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