Colonel Russell Williams
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I wish this guy would just kill himself already. He has affected myself and a few people I know in negative ways and is a constant reminder everyday. Unfortunately we will only learn more about him and his evil deeds.
Still no reports of how many letters a week he is getting from female admirers? Paul Bernardo was reportedly getting 500 a week.
That seems weird enough to be true. I guess it is a case of different strokes for different folks.Still no reports of how many letters a week he is getting from female admirers? Paul Bernardo was reportedly getting 500 a week.
This is a whole other phenomenon in itself. Many women are attracted to serial killers, rapists have often been afflcited by violence themselves in the family home. While many of these women are not outcasts by society by any means ( many are teachers, housewives, professionals) tend to ignore their better judgement to not get involved with men like this because their desire for an idealized fantasy type relationship overpowers everything else. These types of relationships are considered safe both physically and emotionally as long as their lover is behind bars. The female has complete control over the relationship or so she thinks and this would be considered a powerful position to be in. They figure the convict or their lover has endless hours to think and devote their attention to them but in reality they are setting these women up by figuring out their vullnerablitlities and weaknesses by manipulating them. Afterall, they are predators.That seems weird enough to be true. I guess it is a case of different strokes for different folks.
If you read the book "Women Who Love Men Who Kill" by Sheila Isenberg, it explains why women find themselves in these sorts of relationships. It is a very fascinating book.
Thanks, I knew there was a book on this subject but couldn't think of the name. For example, I heard that Ted Bundy and Scott Peterson were getting 5,000 (check the number) letters a week. In fact, Ted Bundy actually married one of these women while in prison and I think she wanted a Ted Junior.If you read the book "Women Who Love Men Who Kill" by Sheila Isenberg, it explains why women find themselves in these sorts of relationships.
Russell Williams has now additionally been charged with 82 counts of Breaking and Entering. Forty-six involve break-ins in Tweed, Ontario, another 34 in Ottawa and the remaining two in Belleville, Ontario.
Appears he will cop a plea and plead guilty. As I understand it, multiple murders carries a mandatory life with no parole (faint hope doesnt apply). Sounds like he isnt looking to reduce his time by pleading, but rather avoid further publicity (all the details at the trial) causing himself and his wife further embarassment. And of course a huge legal bill. Given that he confessed, took the cops to a body and told them where to find his panty/souvenir stash, he is smart enough to know there is no hope of any outcome but the "guilty" he deserves. Strangely, his military "code" (thinking and practice) seem to be driving his behaviour after being caught.
Sadly, we dont have the death penalty for unique cases like this and Paul Bernardo. Williams tried suicide twice (choking and starving) but failed at both. Appears he has now accepted the outcome and wants to move on. Wouldnt be surprised if he offed himself in whatever max prison (probably the special unit at Kingston) down the road when he gets the chance. A smart man will find a way. And the military man will "do the right thing" in the end and hold himself accountable.
If there is a God, he will be the final judge.....
Sadly, we dont have the death penalty for unique cases like this and Paul Bernardo. Williams tried suicide twice (choking and starving) but failed at both. Appears he has now accepted the outcome and wants to move on. Wouldnt be surprised if he offed himself in whatever max prison (probably the special unit at Kingston) down the road when he gets the chance. A smart man will find a way. And the military man will "do the right thing" in the end and hold himself accountable.
If there is a God, he will be the final judge.....
I don't think your logic really holds up there - "doing the right thing" would tend to include not murdering people.Appears he will cop a plea and plead guilty. As I understand it, multiple murders carries a mandatory life with no parole (faint hope doesnt apply). Sounds like he isnt looking to reduce his time by pleading, but rather avoid further publicity (all the details at the trial) causing himself and his wife further embarassment. And of course a huge legal bill. Given that he confessed, took the cops to a body and told them where to find his panty/souvenir stash, he is smart enough to know there is no hope of any outcome but the "guilty" he deserves. Strangely, his military "code" (thinking and practice) seem to be driving his behaviour after being caught.
Sadly, we dont have the death penalty for unique cases like this and Paul Bernardo. Williams tried suicide twice (choking and starving) but failed at both. Appears he has now accepted the outcome and wants to move on. Wouldnt be surprised if he offed himself in whatever max prison (probably the special unit at Kingston) down the road when he gets the chance. A smart man will find a way. And the military man will "do the right thing" in the end and hold himself accountable.
If there is a God, he will be the final judge.....
If we had a death penalty for violent sexual murders then we would have killed innocent people who were found guilty like Steven Truscott and Guy Paul Morin. I don't want to be part of killing innocent people and if the government kills they are representing me and then I'm an accomplice to murder.
However, I'd quietly help them commit suicide under the right circumstances. It would be like putting down a rabid or diseased animal, more merciful than life in jail.
But that's wishful thinking and won't happen so I accept he'll spend the rest of his life in jail.
I appreciate that he might plead guilty and he's been helpful to the police, I believe he knows he's sick and can't be fixed.
However, I'd quietly help them commit suicide under the right circumstances. It would be like putting down a rabid or diseased animal, more merciful than life in jail.
But that's wishful thinking and won't happen so I accept he'll spend the rest of his life in jail.
I appreciate that he might plead guilty and he's been helpful to the police, I believe he knows he's sick and can't be fixed.
No question that sexual assault, theft and murder dont fit with "doing the right thing". My comment was was more addressed to the code he was immersed in during his military career - respect for authority/chain of command (in this case the police/Crown Attorney) and accountability for actions. Clearly, his moral/ethical compass was dramatically disabled when driven by whatever twisted desires that seem to have taken control of him on an escalating basis. He went from stealing, to abduction and assault to murder. But in the paradox that most serial killers present, he lead a structured and ordered life when not committing the atrocities.I don't think your logic really holds up there - "doing the right thing" would tend to include not murdering people.
There is probably only one life more structured than the military and thats prison. In that world (which he'll live in for the rest of his life), it appears he reverts back to the character/personality/ethics that drove the Base Commander - hence my "doing the right thing".
Actually it may be a more fitting punishment than the death penalty - locked up with control/power over almost nothing and the knowledge that it will never change.
Dont think anyone would argue that this is about rehabilitation. There is nothing here but punishment. He wont be fixed and I suspect there will be no attempt to fix him.
Depending upon what the psychological evaluation says, I rather doubt it is even possible to “fix” someone like this.Dont think anyone would argue that this is about rehabilitation. There is nothing here but punishment. He wont be fixed and I suspect there will be no attempt to fix him.
HERE, HERE..... I was reading the paper today and saw an article about a 70 year old man who WRONGLY CONVICTED spent 38 years in jail for a murder that he didn't commit. How do we even begin as a society to make up for that kind of BS to this man?..... OR would the proponents of the death penalty just have executed this INNOCENT man long ago and when the truth finally did come out just say "oh well" and move on?If we had a death penalty for violent sexual murders then we would have killed innocent people who were found guilty like Steven Truscott and Guy Paul Morin. I don't want to be part of killing innocent people and if the government kills they are representing me and then I'm an accomplice to murder.
The justice system is not perfect and probably will never be. Innocent people will continue to be convicted of whatever. Until such time as a perfect justice system is a reality I don't think the death penalty can even be considered as a viable option for punishment.
