Convertible sped away as cyclist hung on

[keepmovingforward]

Especially after how much this public official intentionally pissed off this cyclist for him to throw his bike at the car. last time I saw this it was the driver's fault for running a stop sign obviously in a rush. but Mr Bryant is never rushed as a public official is he ?? I wonder if he rushed his wine and dine celebration before getting in to his vehicle ?

yeah...a known fact is that he just went ape shit and threw his bike at the car after he was hit and went to the driver side and went nuts.

i wouldnt be surprised if the dude was drunk and biking and got hit because he was ..um....drunk on a bike

 

[thorbax]

Well you cry about hoping other had bad lives or some crap you spewed trying to get some rise. good one. maybe read what you wrote before you hit the post button. when you have everyone in a thread laughing at your posts it should make you wonder who the idiot there is. Do your posts even make sense?

Of the few who suggest my posts do not make sense, you certainly have a strong opinion about what I have chosen to share. heal my friend.

 

[mmmburritos]

At first, but just like the cyclist he was dragged along hanging from the door. Eventually the police officer fell off, fortunately, he rolled away and didn't go under the wheels. The cyclist, however, went under the wheels, partly because Bryant smushed him up against a mailbox which no doubt caused him to bounce back under the car.

So not only is Bryant a closet homicidal maniac but he's also one fine driver. Given the amount of time that it took for all of this to happen do you really think that anyone could possibly come up with a plot to run a guy into a mailbox so he could bounce back under the wheels?

The guy was scared... he freaked out. I would too if some dude was hanging off my car. And let's not forget here, this guy wasn't a girl guide selling cookies. Did he deserve to die? No. Would he seem pretty frightening to Bryant and his wife... absolutely. There was no premeditation here. Just a short but intense exchange between two people who both made decisions that led to one man being killed.

I can relate to this story somewhat, as I too have had an altercation with a guy riding a bike. I was driving down Keele a couple of years ago near High Park when a cyclist, who was riding in between the two lanes of cars down the hill, tried to beat a light and make a left turn in front of me. However he reached the front right side of my car just as the light turned green. I started forward and clipped the rear wheel of his bike and he went flying. This guy got up from the ground all bloody and went POSTAL. Banging on the hood of my car and challenging me to fight him. Nothing physical happened however the two of us had quite the exchange of words before he picked up his bike and rode off. It was intense and scary. I called the police and even waited for them to arrive, nothing ever came of it. So from my perspective I could see how this could have happened.

 

[dirkstoned]

Of the few who suggest my posts do not make sense, you certainly have a strong opinion about what I have chosen to share. heal my friend.

There is not one in this thread. keep dreaming. Shit, just look right after your last post. Fuck dude. I am starting to feel sorry for you. And where is the stop sign ticket then? Again, you heard what you made up.

 

[thorbax]

yeah...a known fact is that he just went ape shit and threw his bike at the car after he was hit and went to the driver side and went nuts.

i wouldn't be surprised if the dude was drunk and biking and got hit because he was ..um....drunk on a bike

then I wouldn`t be surprise if MrBryant and his wife after a lovely celebratory wine and dine, chose to over react the same, regardless of what cause the altercation.

 

[Cyberfeab]

Nope. Intent to kill versus intent to injure only changes it from 2nd degree murder to manslaughter or negligent homicide. I note that Bryant has been charged with the latter, so probably that is how the police see it too.

How about intent to get away from a dangerous situation?

I can't feel bad for the cyclist. He bit off more than he could chew.

It is socially unacceptable to attack people or their property. The cyclist was committing an assault, or at the very least mischief.

He paid too high of a price for his stupidity, but he brought on his own death in my opinion.

 

[fuji]

How about intent to get away from a dangerous situation?

He had already done that, and that was over, before the cyclist was killed. By the time the cyclist was killed the cyclist was completely helpless, and not a threat to anyone.

It is socially unacceptable to attack people or their property. The cyclist was committing an assault, or at the very least mischief.

Likely. It is up to the courts to punish that, though, it is not socially accpetable for private citizens to act as public executioners every time they encounter a crime.

 

[dirkstoned]

then I wouldn`t be surprise if MrBryant and his wife after a lovely celebratory wine and dine, chose to over react the same, regardless of what cause the altercation.

Big deal. That and a 1.28 gets you a medium at timmys. fucking knob.

Yeah..lots of guys over react by backing away and trying to get out of ther to the point of being so scared they have to gun it just to try to get away.

fucking knob

 

[thorbax]

There is not one in this thread. keep dreaming. Shit, just look right after your last post. Fuck dude. I am starting to feel sorry for you. And where is the stop sign ticket then? Again, you heard what you made up.

1)I wrote, "last time I saw this"...it was a story my friend. Not a fact. I wish you could understand the the written language. It's so beautiful when the words make sense.

2) you wrote,There is not one in this thread. I thank you for your compliment

3)I appreciate you feeling sorry for me, but I believe your emotions could be better spent on someone else more valuable. heal my friend.

 

[Cyberfeab]

You are assuming that he intended to kill the guy.

He was trying to get away (IMO)

What would have happened if he stopped? Is Mr. Cyclist going to pleasantly let go and go back for his bike?

I doubt that.

He got what he deserved. If you think you are He-Man and can attack a guy in a car without getting hurt, you're an idiot.

Darwinism at play.

 

[fuji]

So not only is Bryant a closet homicidal maniac but he's also one fine driver. Given the amount of time that it took for all of this to happen do you really think that anyone could possibly come up with a plot to run a guy into a mailbox so he could bounce back under the wheels?

The globe and star article quoted witnesses who said that the car appeared to be under control, and looked like it was intentionally trying to smash the cyclist into objects along the side of the road. In fact, the car appears to have crossed to the wrong side of the road just so so the cyclist, on the driver's side, could be smashd into the objects over there.

So yes it appears to have been intentional, hence the criminal charge.

The guy was scared... he freaked out. I would too if some dude was hanging off my car.

His subjective state is irrelevant. This is an objective question. Would a reasonable person in that situation have felt that his life was in danger?

Initially? Yes.

Later when the cyclist is helplessly dragging along beside the car? No.

The cyclist was killed at a time when he was helpless. The best analogy is let's say somebody jumps you, gets into a knock down fight, and you punch them out. While they're lying on the ground curled up helplessly in the fetal position you go on to give them a few more kicks and then jump on their head and kill them.

Were you initially justified in punching them out? Yes.

Were you justified in killing them? No.

Same story here.

 

[dirkstoned]

you wrote,There is not one in this thread. I thank you for your compliment

I appreciate you feeling sorry for me, but I believe your emotions could be better spent on someone else more valuable. heal my friend.

probably..but with the drivel you post you make soooo easy.

and if you think that was a compliment in whatever spectrum of gayness you seem to thrive in...well there is no one else where it is better spent.

 

[thorbax]

Big deal. That and a 1.28 gets you a medium at timmys. fucking knob.

Yeah..lots of guys over react by backing away and trying to get out of ther to the point of being so scared they have to gun it just to try to get away.

fucking knob

Most get scared when they have done something they shouldn't have. in fact there are two things here, fight or flight. What did Mr bryant do or say to the cyclist to want to flee so quickly ?? Throwing the bike is a reaction to something. What did this public official do to cause the cyclist to react so aggressively ??

 

[Armagettin]

I know, Mr byrant and his wife celebrated their special occasion at the fancy restaurant over ice-water. Isn't that what all public officials do ?? I know when I take that special person out for celebration, ice-water is where it's at.

After all, sgt tim burrows is qualified to determine if a suspect should bypass bail court, and if someone should take a sobriety test.

and I don't recall reading about a 3 year old in the car ??

Please thorbax, don't try to engage me in discussion. I meant what I posted earlier. You shouldn't be allowed to post. I was serious.

 

[atherton_wing]

Dirkstoned...you need to chill out

Big deal. That and a 1.28 gets you a medium at timmys. fucking knob.

Yeah..lots of guys over react by backing away and trying to get out of ther to the point of being so scared they have to gun it just to try to get away.

fucking knob

Wow, you are one angry man.

This story has revealed the potential danger of losing one's temper. Perhaps you could learn from its lesson.

 

[thorbax]

The globe and star article quoted witnesses who said that the car appeared to be under control, and looked like it was intentionally trying to smash the cyclist into objects along the side of the road. In fact, the car appears to have crossed to the wrong side of the road just so so the cyclist, on the driver's side, could be smashd into the objects over there.

So yes it appears to have been intentional, hence the criminal charge.



His subjective state is irrelevant. This is an objective question. Would a reasonable person in that situation have felt that his life was in danger?

Initially? Yes.

Later when the cyclist is helplessly dragging along beside the car? No.

The cyclist was killed at a time when he was helpless. The best analogy is let's say somebody jumps you, gets into a knock down fight, and you punch them out. While they're lying on the ground curled up helplessly in the fetal position you go on to give them a few more kicks and then jump on their head and kill them.

Were you initially justified in punching them out? Yes.

Were you justified in killing them? No.

Same story here.

I truly appreciate an honest viewpoint. Thank-you.

 

[dirkstoned]

Most get scared when they have done something they shouldn't have. in fact there are two things here, fight or flight. What did Mr bryant do or say to the cyclist to want to flee so quickly ?? Throwing the bike is a reaction to something. What did this public official do to cause the cyclist to react so aggressively ??

The cyclist was drunk and screaming at him....throwing the bike is a reaction to being drunk and driving it and thinking someone almost cut you off.

By your use of "public official" over and over i think you are someone with an axe to grind.

Its just that you are barking up the wrong tree.
Makes no diff is he is a pub official or a normal person this happened to. its the same. Anyone who said they feared for their life in this situation would get bail and walk out too.

that and you are , well, do i have to say it yet again.

 

[dirkstoned]

I truly appreciate an honest viewpoint. Thank-you.

fools never differ

 

[thorbax]

Please thorbax, don't try to engage me in discussion. I meant what I posted earlier. You shouldn't be allowed to post. I was serious.

I'm sorry I do not live up to your expectations. Perhaps you feel I should suffer the same fate as the cyclist for being a lesser man. maybe you are right, I should be banned from posting as you say, treated like a pit bull, disregarded as human life. Slammed in to a mailbox and a tree, left on the side of the road for someone else to clean up the mess.

 

[dirkstoned]

Wow, you are one angry man.

This story has revealed the potential danger of losing one's temper. Perhaps you could learn from its lesson.

When you got knobs posting crap that is so gay you know they post it just to try and get a rise...well, fuck him. Read his/her posts. No one is that dumb. No one