Cops are pervs!

[poorboy]

Cops are ordinary people, so they do the same things the rest of the population does.

They make decisions everyday on who to charge and to what degree. I think after charging all these people and seeing them in court and seeing who walks and who doesn't, they develop thier own sense of right and wrong.

Cops are infamous for breaking laws they know they can get away with. I think some of them consider it a perk to compensate for the crap they have to deal with.

 

[JeremytheWicked]

Cops are ordinary people, so they do the same things the rest of the population does.

They make decisions everyday on who to charge and to what degree. I think after charging all these people and seeing them in court and seeing who walks and who doesn't, they develop thier own sense of right and wrong.

Cops are infamous for breaking laws they know they can get away with. I think some of them consider it a perk to compensate for the crap they have to deal with.

Word.

 

[CH812]

I agree with many of the above statements but i think the system still needs some type of higher authourity to police the police and restore some faith back into the system as a whole.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Our Cops are tops...

I agree with many of the above statements but i think the system still needs some type of higher authourity to police the police and restore some faith back into the system as a whole.

While there is a few rouge cops and of course there is always room for improvement IMO we are doing pretty well for LE in Toronto. Given the limited tools and resources etc that they have to work with over all I would give LE in Toronto better then a passing grade. Also given the BS they have to deal with. It's really hard to get cops to sign up for Toronto Police force because of all of the above. And then it's even harder to hold on to them because they are always looking to go elsewhere to other different forces after a few years in Toronto. Read: Burnout. While we should always keep our guard up and an open eye on them... we should also have an open mind as well. Just my 2 cents.

 

[booboobear]

. For the first time ever I thought a cop was getting too harsh a punishment.


Wow... I must be getting old.

I remember this case and no yoe are not getting old I think he did get screwed i this case. There have been several cases where cops beat somebody they die and the cops keep their jobs.

Working undercover having to take coke sometimes and then they fire the cop , not right. I would say it's almost the only case I know where I think the cop got shafted.

 

[assoholic]

..all 3 people I know who became cops were pricks, wanna be tough guys who would back down the second someone even approaching their own size came on the scene. One guy was pathetic, he was hassling this one guy at a club one night and someone got so annoyed they reached over and punched him in the face, idiot boy didn't do a thing back.

 

[CH812]

ya man honeslty i cant stand that condescending type attitude exhibited by MOST of the cops i have met.

 

[Esco!]

Yes guys but we need them and I still think they are OK.
Regardless of their faults.
It just bothers me when they get TOO arrogant, thats all.

 

[antaeus]

Like other's have posted, I too have respect for the police officer, the job they do and work environment they face. But damn they make it easy to lose that respect; I confess to a bias of uniformed beat constables. There's no polite way to say it: they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. The bright ones make detective or are otherwise bumped up.

My trips to traffic court, record 9 wins 1 loss, have been a highlight of constabulary blunders, most caught by the judge! My one conviction the judge delayed case while he cleared all other of that nights cases because, as he said, I'll have to interview the officer in this case. It took 53 minutes, to the typical night court traffic case 3 - 5 minutes. In the end, the judge said he didn't believe any of the officer's testimony except for the words written on the ticket.

2 friends, criminal defense lawyers, are masters at shredding uniforms in court. The usual approach is to find a slip up in procedure (admittedly seems rather a burden for the PC), and then to get 2nd officer to slip up in his defense of 1st officer following procedure. It's superb drama to see trap set, bait and snap. Cynically, they report it's common to see 2nd officer, caught out in his false or exaggerated assertions supporting his buddy, flush and choke up or cry!

If some constables would just lose the we-the-fraternity machismo it would be good. Maybe get more convictions too.

But in terms of them being pervs, probably no more so than general population.

 

[slowpoke]

hahaha true.....ive also heard that females cops are either lesbians or big time sluts.......... any opinions on that one?

I was caught doing 78 kph in a 50 kph zone a year or so ago but the female cop who clocked me with her radar was a real looker. Too bad about that ugly uniform but I could tell she was an exceptionally attractive and unquestionably edible specimen with her honey blonde curls framing her stunningly attractive face and those wonderful baby blues looking up at me. I was transfixed! She was also very understanding and compassionate. She skipped the lecture and dropped the fine to $54 (I think) and no points. Nice girl and a credit to her profession.

 

[Egor]

I'm afraid I'd have to question whether we really are "doing pretty well for LE in Toronto." Anyone who follows the news would be aware that over the past several years the Toronto Police have been involved in any number of scandals and ongoing cases of misconduct, wrongdoing and lawbreaking, from the bottom ranks right up to the top echelons of power.

I'm not able to cite specifics, but the videotape of that kid being punched in the head, those cops charged with assault for beating up that homeless guy, and that group of cops charged with accepting bribes in the downtown entertainment district are recent examples. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The Special Investigation Unit is called upon often to review questionable police behaviour, and most of the time they encounter stiff opposition and resistance from the force. And don't think it's any accident that in almost every case, police are found not guilty of criminal charges or violations of the Police Act.

Just take a look at how many Toronto residents have been KILLED by the police over the past several years, for Christ's sake. And the dead are not criminals and dangerous law-breakers, but the weak and vulunerable: the poor, the homeless, ex-psychiatric patients, etc.

As for the police having limited tools and resources, don't make me laugh. Pretty well one-half of the entire Toronto city budget goes toward police funding. Don't tell me they're using anything but state-of-the-art tools and equipment, whether it be vehicles, firearms, computers, uniforms, crime-lab equipment, training ..... you name it.

I'm not an insider, but if media reports are any indication (and I do realize the media can distort things), LE in Toronto is rife with corruption. And that doesn't get a passing grade in my books.

 

[SucroseFree]

In general, I do respect the police because of the amount of crap in society they have to/see to do their jobs.

You also have to realize that people do put them up to a higher standard because they are "police officers". Would we be talking about this about "resturant owners" or "taxi drivers"?

 

[james t kirk]

Re: Our Cops are tops...

While there is a few rouge cops and of course there is always room for improvement IMO we are doing pretty well for LE in Toronto. Given the limited tools and resources etc that they have to work with over all I would give LE in Toronto better then a passing grade. Also given the BS they have to deal with. It's really hard to get cops to sign up for Toronto Police force because of all of the above. And then it's even harder to hold on to them because they are always looking to go elsewhere to other different forces after a few years in Toronto. Read: Burnout. While we should always keep our guard up and an open eye on them... we should also have an open mind as well. Just my 2 cents.

Don't take this the wrong way.

But you couldn't be more wrong.

The police Dept. in Toronto is the number ONE receiver of public funds. They are truly over paid and underworked.

Every year, they demand more and more of the municiple budget, always more than inflation, and always more than any other department.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/budget2004/pdf/2004spending_for_impact.pdf

When they don't get all the money they want, they are the first ones lining up to whine and complain to the media and put the fear into the public at large.

The cops in Toronto should be treated no differently than any other department (TTC, Roads, Works, Education, social services, etc.) They should be TOLD, your budget is getting cut. You will provide the same services to the public as you did before. In a nutshell, you will do MORE with LESS.

Being a cop in Toronto is a very good paying job with excellent benefits. There are thousands of them making more than a hundred grand a year. Not too shabby for basically a high school or community college education I would say.

Overtime, well, I have to regularly work 60 plus hours a week and don't get paid for my overtime. "You have to be a professional"

Try telling a cop that he has to work free overtime.

You will most likely get shot.

There is no shortage of applicants for the police dept. because everyone knows it's a great job.

Sure you have to deal with some scum bags. But compare Toronto to Detroit, or Washington, or NYC.

It's a walk in the park.

 

[Esco!]

I'm afraid I'd have to question whether we really are "doing pretty well for LE in Toronto." Anyone who follows the news would be aware that over the past several years the Toronto Police have been involved in any number of scandals and ongoing cases of misconduct, wrongdoing and lawbreaking, from the bottom ranks right up to the top echelons of power.

I'm not able to cite specifics, but the videotape of that kid being punched in the head, those cops charged with assault for beating up that homeless guy, and that group of cops charged with accepting bribes in the downtown entertainment district are recent examples. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The Special Investigation Unit is called upon often to review questionable police behaviour, and most of the time they encounter stiff opposition and resistance from the force. And don't think it's any accident that in almost every case, police are found not guilty of criminal charges or violations of the Police Act.

Just take a look at how many Toronto residents have been KILLED by the police over the past several years, for Christ's sake. And the dead are not criminals and dangerous law-breakers, but the weak and vulunerable: the poor, the homeless, ex-psychiatric patients, etc.

As for the police having limited tools and resources, don't make me laugh. Pretty well one-half of the entire Toronto city budget goes toward police funding. Don't tell me they're using anything but state-of-the-art tools and equipment, whether it be vehicles, firearms, computers, uniforms, crime-lab equipment, training ..... you name it.

I'm not an insider, but if media reports are any indication (and I do realize the media can distort things), LE in Toronto is rife with corruption. And that doesn't get a passing grade in my books.

There's a reason why the RCMP was called in to start doing arrests into the Toronto PD.
Fantino cant handle the whole sh*it

 

[CH812]

Craig Brommell is the slimiest of all the snake cops out there, you can just look into his eyes and see the corruption.

 

[Esco!]

yychobbyist,

I have a ton of sympathy for them but at the same time you cant give them a free ticket to do whatever they want.
If you allow them that liberty then they become bikers.
Plain and simple!!!

 

[goodtime]

Yes, there are few bad apples but

Yes, there are a few bad apples that take advantage of SC or MP. But I would say they are among the minority.

Know a few cops, JP, and judges. They have flaws and may be prevs like everybody else but don't necessary use their position to take advantage of others like the bad apples.

My U.S. cop/trooper friends can concur that Toronto/Peel/York cops are nothing when compared to cops in U.S. cities. You wouldn't want to own a business or live in those U.S. jurisdictions.

 

[Egor]

There is a little story in today's (Nov.22/04) National Post that pretty much summarizes where we're at so far as LE in Toronto is concerned. Don't know how to post the link, but I'll quote bits and pieces of the story here. The ariticle is titled: "TORONTO GETS 1.6M LEGAL BILL FOR POLICE MANSLAUGHTER CASE"

" ..... The city of Toronto is facing a 1.6 million legal bill for the defense of four police officers acquitted last year in the Aug. 2000 death of a 55 year-old man ...."

"The tab of the high profile trial is part is part of a multi-milllion-dollar annual bill to defend Toronto police officers in civil and criminal proceedings. Yet nearly all the information related to these expenses is never made public."

".... the annual cost is likely to increase ..... as there are at least 35 Toronto officers facing either criminal or internal disciplinary action."

"Ten of the officers charged with criminal offences stem from two corruption probes into a unit alleged to have shaken down bars in the downtown entertainment district and a now disbanded drug squad accused of theft, extortion, and assualt."

"A number of other individual officers are also facing charges that include murder, sexual assault, criminal assault and drug trafficking."

"The City of Toronto will not release any details of settlements or ongoing lawsuits filed against the police .... The city will not even say how many civil suits against the police force are outstanding .... the legal costs of senior lawyers .... are also kept private."

"A $700,000 lawsuit filed by Captain Mark Walden, a decorated 12-year veteran of the Canadian military, who alleged he was assaulted by police outside a downtown bar last year, was also settled recently."

"Barry Swardon, who represented Capt. Walden, said he is not permitted to confirm the lawsuit was resolved .... "If the public knew how much it is costing to defend these police officers, it would be shocked. It is an astounding figure," Mr. Swardon said."


Some of you here have come out in support of these guys, defending them, and saying LE in Toronto is pretty good. Frankly, I don't see it.

 

[Keebler Elf]

I agree with Kirk. Relative to other police departments, and even taking into consideration the increased dangers/stress of working in Toronto, police are overpaid (or, at least, paid "enough").

The whole "society is going to hell in a handbasket and we need more cops" argument has gotten repetetive and nauseating. Crime is down, not up. But you wouldn't know by the "official" police statements. They've pulled on the heartstrings long enough. No more, I say.

 

[Esco!]

There is a little story in today's (Nov.22/04) National Post that pretty much summarizes where we're at so far as LE in Toronto is concerned. Don't know how to post the link

I read the story and here's the link:

http://www.canada.com/national/nati....html?id=86f1c444-02dd-4a85-9a68-b664dd292c70