Crime rate in Canada falls to a 40 year low according to Statscan.

[rafterman]

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/crime-rate-in-canada-falls-to-40-year-low

Interesting, notwithstanding media coverage of a few very high profile cases the crime rate continues to decline.

 

[GGGDickson]

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/crime-rate-in-canada-falls-to-40-year-low

Interesting, notwithstanding media coverage of a few very high profile cases the crime rate continues to decline.

Yea interesting how it ties into the aging population. The boomers are getting older and they are not as keen on useless crimes.

 

[blackrock13]

Our fighting crime strategy must be working.

 

[fuji]

Yes, the crime fighting strategy of, "have fewer humans", is working out!

 

[Carling]

and the gov't wants longer sentences on crime that is slowly declining...WTF?

 

[Rockslinger]

Yea interesting how it ties into the aging population.

I grew up in small town Ontario and there was no "aging population" at that time and crime was unheard of. We didn't even lock our doors. Us kids would run in and out of each other's houses all the time.

 

[Rockslinger]

and the gov't wants longer sentences on crime that is slowly declining...WTF?

Yes, but the crime of "paid consensual adult sex" is still rising.

 

[FAST]

Some thing has changed

I grew up in small town Ontario and there was no "aging population" at that time and crime was unheard of. We didn't even lock our doors. Us kids would run in and out of each other's houses all the time.

I grew up in "poor" neighbourhoods in a mid size industrial city.

We did NOT lock our house at night, left keys in cars, not a problem.

My buddy and I (both white) went to "black" parties, as we lived in the same hood, and felt perfectly safe and at ease.

Mind you .........these black families had Canadian ancestors older than a lot of "white" families.

"Crime" appeared to be equally spread across the two races.

I really think that a lot of our "crime" problems are IMPORTED attitudes, and is NOT a racial thing.

FAST

Flame away !!!

 

[GameBoy27]

How about less reported crime?

 

[blackrock13]

How about less reported crime?

How about it.

 

[OddSox]

Interesting cherrypicking of the data - 1972 was pretty much the peak in violent crime in Canada. Let's try and look at 1960...

 

[james t kirk]

I grew up in "poor" neighbourhoods in a mid size industrial city.

We did NOT lock our house at night, left keys in cars, not a problem.

My buddy and I (both white) went to "black" parties, as we lived in the same hood, and felt perfectly safe and at ease.

Mind you .........these black families had Canadian ancestors older than a lot of "white" families.

"Crime" appeared to be equally spread across the two races.

I really think that a lot of our "crime" problems are IMPORTED attitudes, and is NOT a racial thing.
FAST

Flame away !!!

Your experiences mirror my youth growing up in Hamilton. The black guys I went to high school with were excellent guys and come to think of it, NONE of them were involved in crime of any type. (Which is not something I can say about the white trash that I also went to High School with.)

Rob Ford, buffoon that he may be, actually alluded to this recently when he talked about deporting criminals from Toronto.

I strongly support deporting immigrants (immediately) who commit crimes in Canada, and even those who have obtained Canadian citizenship should have their citizenship revoked and they should be returned to where they came from quickly and swiftly.

 

[fuji]

Interesting cherrypicking of the data - 1972 was pretty much the peak in violent crime in Canada. Let's try and look at 1960...

I think if it was lower earlier that's pretty consistent with the idea that it's population age that is causing all the crime. So you had crime rising as the baby boomers became young adults and then falling off again as the population aged.

 

[rld]

I strongly support deporting immigrants (immediately) who commit crimes in Canada, and even those who have obtained Canadian citizenship should have their citizenship revoked and they should be returned to where they came from quickly and swiftly.

So you want us to have two tiered citizenship. Very bad idea. Wonder how it would fare with a Charter challenge.

 

[james t kirk]

Interesting point of view. I am an immigrant so I feel your comments personally. In a case such as this... what do you do when you find you have wrongfully convicted an individual? You may have taken him / her away from their family, friends, career, home.... sent them back to a country they left with probably good reason ...

Odds of a wrong conviction are very very small.

 

[james t kirk]

So you want us to have two tiered citizenship. Very bad idea. Wonder how it would fare with a Charter challenge.

Deporting landed immigrants who commit felony crimes is already the law. In fact, the conservatives were only tightening it up in June 2012 to make it easier to deport criminals. (I strongly support.)

Natualized citizens who commit felony crimes can have their citizenship revoked if it is proven that they gained their citizenship under false pretenses.

(This is already on the books.)

 

[rld]

Deporting landed immigrants who commit felony crimes is already the law. In fact, the conservatives were only tightening it up in June 2012 to make it easier to deport criminals. (I strongly support.)

Natualized citizens who commit felony crimes can have their citizenship revoked if it is proven that they gained their citizenship under false pretenses.

(This is already on the books.)

But you were suggesting much more than that. You were suggesting that we have two classes of citizenship. One set who is born here, and one set who are not.

I have no problem with the law the way it is. But your suggestion goes beyond the pale and would not withstand a charter challenge.

By the way, we don't use the term felony in Canada. It is an American term.

 

[FAST]

Modified

So you want us to have two tiered citizenship. Very bad idea. Wonder how it would fare with a Charter challenge.

Not too complicated actually, have a "conditional" citizenship, with a time limit.
When you sign on the dotted line you acknowledge this condition, if you meet the requirements for a specific time, the condition is terminated

This is also NOT an imigrant issue per say either,..........its an imported atitude.

My parents parents were imigrants........but believed in "right and wrong".........and passed it on.

FAST

 

[rld]

Not too complicated actually, have a "conditional" citizenship, with a time limit.
When you sign on the dotted line you acknowledge this condition, if you meet the requirements for a specific time, the condition is terminated

This is also NOT an imigrant issue per say either,..........its an imported atitude.

My parents parents were imigrants........but believed in "right and wrong".........and passed it on.

FAST

So you just want to add another category into the scheme we already have?

Why not just extend permanent resident status or some such? Why water down the value of citizenship?

Do you think the current waiting periods are too short?

 

[fuji]

We really should have a clear and straight forward path to citizenship, that starts out easy, and gets harder as it goes.

1. Acquire visa status --if you can get a job offer, if you have family here, if you have a refugee claim, then you can get a visa. Basic criminal check. Few questions asked, but your visa means you pay your own way, your own healthcare, etc.

2. Acquire permanent resident status -- demonstrate a connection to Canada, fluency with the language, no major health concerns, more thorough criminal check, after you've been here awhile under visa status

3. Acquire citizenship -- demonstrate an enduring connection to Canada, stable life, no criminal involvement, here for many years

Really the only difference in immigration categories between "family", "refugee", "skilled worker" should be in step 1. We should grant refugee visas, not instant citizenship. If you want to come here to settle with family, well, first come for a six month visit, and if you like it, then maybe apply to stay longer. Or go home, and apply to come back, or whatever. This should also mean we bring back the "fiancee visa" so you can get to know someone before marrying them, and anyone entering the country by marriage would start out on that (even if married) and then apply for PR status once they're here awhile.

Permanent residence should only be given to people who have spent time living in Canada and done well here under some visa. Citizenship should only be given to permanent residents who have established themselves and made a life here.