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I have a nephew who is beyond upset and needs some advice. He needed a Police background check for a volunteer position he wants .He received it today in the mail and it states somehow he has a Criminal Record. He was able to renew his passport recently, cross the border with no issue what so ever.I was with him one time crossing the border. He was arrested once few years ago but was never charged,never finger printed ,never went to Court or jail. It says that his birth date and fingerprints match a person with a C.R. He is devestated as he was planing to apply to RMC next year.

Any suggestions I can offer him? He is really confused and upset.
 

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He assures me. He was arrested for something I cant recall but never charged,no convictions ,no fine never went to Court or jail.
 

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If he was arrested, he was probably arrested.

Whether it resulted in a criminal conviction is another question. If the charges were discharged or withdrawn, than you can apply to have the fingerprints/photos destroyed. You would need to contact that police unit that issued the charges.
 
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I have a nephew who is beyond upset and needs some advice. He needed a Police background check for a volunteer position he wants .He received it today in the mail and it states somehow he has a Criminal Record. He was able to renew his passport recently, cross the border with no issue what so ever.I was with him one time crossing the border. He was arrested once few years ago but was never charged,never finger printed ,never went to Court or jail. It says that his birth date and fingerprints match a person with a C.R. He is devestated as he was planing to apply to RMC next year.

Any suggestions I can offer him? He is really confused and upset.
Encourage him to pursue applying for a pardon. This will keep resurfacing. Samething happened to a close friend of mine.
 

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I have a nephew who is beyond upset and needs some advice. He needed a Police background check for a volunteer position he wants .He received it today in the mail and it states somehow he has a Criminal Record. He was able to renew his passport recently, cross the border with no issue what so ever.I was with him one time crossing the border. He was arrested once few years ago but was never charged,never finger printed ,never went to Court or jail. It says that his birth date and fingerprints match a person with a C.R. He is devestated as he was planing to apply to RMC next year.

Any suggestions I can offer him? He is really confused and upset.

This is the problem with Police background checks. Anytime you are arrested, your information is uploaded on the CPIC which is stored with RCMP. Yes a criminal background checks always shows arrests even without charges laid.

Your nephew needs to contact the arresting division and have them purge that arrest record. Make sure he is respectful as the decision lies with them to actualy purge all non-conviction information.

Please also ask your nephew if he ever had a peace bond. A peace bond does show on your record even though its not an actual charge. An s.810 peace bond stays on file.

Furthermore, if hes applying for volunteer position, the organization is VERY LIKELY pulling a Vulerable Sectors check (a more detailed record of your Police intera tions records). This populates a lot of detailed information in terms of the reason for the arrest/investigation and any interactions with Police they deemed to include in this check.

He does NOT need a lawyer. He needs to be persistent by following up with the arrest division. Also, he needs to explain to HR the reasons for arrest.

It is unfair but Police in Ontario have no legal requirement to purge arrest records.
 
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black booty lover

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This is the problem with Police background checks. Anytime you are arrested, your information is uploaded on the CPIC which is stored with RCMP. Yes a criminal background check always shows arrests even without charges laid.

Your nephew needs to contact the arresting division and have them purge that arrest record. Make sure he is respectful as the decision lies with them.

Please also ask your nephew if he ever had a peace bond. A peace bond does show on your record even though its not an actual charge. An s.810 peace bond stays on file.

Furthermore, if hes applying for volunteer position, the organization is VERY LIKELY pulling s vulerable sectors check. This populates a lot of detaiked information in terms of the reason for thebarrest/investigation.

He does NOT need a lawyer. He needs to be persistence by following up. Also, he needs to explain to HR the reasons for arrest.

It os unfair but Police in Ontario have no legal tequirement to purge arrest records.

What on earth are you talking about???

A criminal record check only comes back if you have been convicted of a crime. Hence the term "criminal record".

It doesn't come back saying "well, he's never been convicted of a crime, but he's been arrested because he jaywalked once". In fact, even if you were criminally charged before but beat the charge, or the charge was dropped, your records comes back clean.

Don't give people advice if you don't know what your talking about.

They only time this would come up, is most LE agencies share info. If he was trying to get into the U.S, and a U.S Boarder Security Agent questioned him for some reason because they will see it, and he lied about it, they might not let him in the country for the mere fact he lied to them.

This is a black and white issue, either he did something and is not telling his uncle the truth, or he's clean like he claims, and it's someone else with the same name and it's mistaken identity.

This actually happened at a place I worked at. The place required criminal background checks. They did a check on a new hire and it came back with a record. The guy knew it wasn't him and impossible, so the company that we contracted to do our criminal record checks had to do some digging. It turned out to be some guy with the same name out in BC or some shit.
 
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If it's true that he has no record do not disclose at American border. If he did something that requires a pardon, have him get one and do not disclose at American border once he has it. American authorities do not recognize Canadian pardons. Once a conviction or arrest record is in their system, it's there forever and it will be a huge impediment for crossing the border. If it's preventing him from securing a job, try to have the record corrected. He may need to hire a lawyer who specialises in this area of law if he hits roadblocks.

More bad advice here. Americans are quite liberal about letting you into there country, even if it shows you been arrested before. In fact, even if you have a criminal record they sometimes still let you in depending on the crime. For example, if you have a DUI, the U.S will still generally let you in, despite the fact Canada doesn't allow Americans in if they have a DUI.

DO NOT TRY TO HIDE ANY OF THIS. Be honest with them. If they catch you lying, or think your trying to hide something, that's when they get pissed and probably won't let you in. Not saying you have to voluntarily tell the agent stuff, but just be honest and answer the questions and explain.
 

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If he was arrested, he was probably arrested.

Whether it resulted in a criminal conviction is another question. If the charges were discharged or withdrawn, than you can apply to have the fingerprints/photos destroyed. You would need to contact that police unit that issued the charges.

I have no idea what any of this is supposed to mean. "If he was arrested, he was probably arrested"???

His finger prints and photos have nothing to do with his criminal record. He was either convicted or he wasn't. If he wasn't convicted, his record comes back clean. It doesn't come back and say, "well, he wasn't convicted but we're still hanging on to his finger prints and photos".

Yes, they still have your prints and photos, and if your uncomfortable with that, you can apply to have them destroyed. Has zero bearing on your criminal record.
 

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If he was arrested, he was probably arrested.

Whether it resulted in a criminal conviction is another question. If the charges were discharged or withdrawn, than you can apply to have the fingerprints/photos destroyed. You would need to contact that police unit that issued the charges.
Incorrect.

If an accused is acquitted in Criminal Court, he/she/they can apply to have the fingerprint and mug shot photos destroyed. If charges are withdrawn, the police can keep them on file.

In 2007, I was falsely accused of assault by a former neighbour, who had assaulted me. I was arrested the next day by a 4th Class constable who thought his job was to arrest people if someone called 911 and wanted to have someone charged. Because the detective did not request jail time if I was convicted, I didn't qualify for court appointed counsel at trial. I defended myself, and won acquittal, without having to present a defense case.

Before the trial started, the Crown attorney flipped his thumb through the evidence disclosure and said "Looks like we've got enough evidence to convict", and offered me the opportunity to plead guilty. Half way through my cross examination of his first witness, he offered to drop the charges, but I refused; I wanted the acquittal.

... It says that his birth date and fingerprints match a person with a C.R...
The nephew is being less than 100% honest with you. No two people have the same fingerprints. He admitted to you that he was once arrested. Fingerprints are taken by police only after an accused is charged. If he was not acquitted of those charges in Court, his photograph and fingerprints can be retained by the police.

There was approximately nine months to a year between when I completed the application to have my photo and fingerprint records destroyed, and when I received written confirmation that it had been done.

If an accused wins acquittal, but does not apply to have the photo and fingerprint records destroyed, the police can retain them indefinitely.
 

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This is the problem with Police background checks. Anytime you are arrested, your information is uploaded on the CPIC which is stored with RCMP. Yes a criminal background check always shows arrests even without charges laid.

Your nephew needs to contact the arresting division and have them purge that arrest record. Make sure he is respectful as the decision lies with them.

Please also ask your nephew if he ever had a peace bond. A peace bond does show on your record even though its not an actual charge. An s.810 peace bond stays on file.

Furthermore, if hes applying for volunteer position, the organization is VERY LIKELY pulling s vulerable sectors check. This populates a lot of detaiked information in terms of the reason for thebarrest/investigation.

He does NOT need a lawyer. He needs to be persistence by following up. Also, he needs to explain to HR the reasons for arrest.

It os unfair but Police in Ontario have no legal tequirement to purge arrest records.
The star has discussed this at length. do some r and d then get a lawyer
 
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black booty lover

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Incorrect.

If an accused is acquitted in Criminal Court, he/she/they can apply to have the fingerprint and mug shot photos destroyed. If charges are withdrawn, the police can keep them on file.
No this is incorrect. If charges are stayed/dropped, you can apply to have them destroyed, and they will be.
 

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Incorrect.

If an accused is acquitted in Criminal Court, he/she/they can apply to have the fingerprint and mug shot photos destroyed. If charges are withdrawn, the police can keep them on file.

In 2007, I was falsely accused of assault by a former neighbour, who had assaulted me. I was arrested the next day by a 4th Class constable who thought his job was to arrest people if someone called 911 and wanted to have someone charged. Because the detective did not request jail time if I was convicted, I didn't qualify for court appointed counsel at trial. I defended myself, and won acquittal, without having to present a defense case.

Before the trial started, the Crown attorney flipped his thumb through the evidence disclosure and said "Looks like we've got enough evidence to convict", and offered me the opportunity to plead guilty. Half way through my cross examination of his first witness, he offered to drop the charges, but I refused; I wanted the acquittal.

The nephew is being less than 100% honest with you. No two people have the same fingerprints. He admitted to you that he was once arrested. Fingerprints are taken by police only after an accused is charged. If he was not acquitted of those charges in Court, his photograph and fingerprints can be retained by the police.

There was approximately nine months to a year between when I completed the application to have my photo and fingerprint records destroyed, and when I received written confirmation that it had been done.

If an accused wins acquittal, but does not apply to have the photo and fingerprint records destroyed, the police can retain them indefinitely.
There is nothing in your anecdote that proves someone cannot apply for a file destruction, so I'm not sure why you bothered to type it up. You can apply to for a file destruction (fingerprints/photos etc.). I did not say it was guaranteed.

If it was a minor offence, chances are the police will process your request. There may be factors where the police refuse to destroy information related to a non-conviction. The police can also refuse a file destruction even if you were acquitted.


 
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I have no idea what any of this is supposed to mean. "If he was arrested, he was probably arrested"???

His finger prints and photos have nothing to do with his criminal record. He was either convicted or he wasn't. If he wasn't convicted, his record comes back clean. It doesn't come back and say, "well, he wasn't convicted but we're still hanging on to his finger prints and photos".

Yes, they still have your prints and photos, and if your uncomfortable with that, you can apply to have them destroyed. Has zero bearing on your criminal record.
Your criminal record contains all kinds of information, including information related to non-convictions. This could include anything from police contact to criminal charges that were dropped.

When someone requests a criminal record check on you, the police may release this information. So when you apply for that job that requires a criminal record check, and it has fingerprints on file, they will know that you were charged with a crime. They will deny you the opportunity or call you up and ask why you have fingerprints on file.

The fact that you have fingerprints on file communicates to the world that you were charged with a crime.

 
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Your criminal record contains all kinds of information, including information related to non-convictions. This could include anything from police contact to criminal charges that were dropped.

When someone requests a criminal record check on you, the police may release this information. So when you apply for that job that requires a criminal record check, and it has fingerprints on file, they will know that you were charged with a crime. They will deny you the opportunity or call you up and ask why you have fingerprints on file.

The fact that you have fingerprints on file communicates to the world that you were charged with a crime.
Or applied for a cab driver's license.
 

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Your criminal record contains all kinds of information, including information related to non-convictions. This could include anything from police contact to criminal charges that were dropped.

When someone requests a criminal record check on you, the police may release this information. So when you apply for that job that requires a criminal record check, and it has fingerprints on file, they will know that you were charged with a crime. They will deny you the opportunity or call you up and ask why you have fingerprints on file.

The fact that you have fingerprints on file communicates to the world that you were charged with a crime.


No it doesn't. I'm telling that right now. I don't care what your link says...

It just tells them if you have a criminal record or not. It's a black and white issue.

You have a record in the sense the police have it on file, but only other LE agencies will have access to that.

An employer doesn't get this manifest of every dust up you've had with the law.
 
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