Damn PoPo Peel is a little aggressive

[The Bandit]

PoPo...sounds like what a kid tells you a police car sounds like when he pulls you over.

 

[jerk chicken]

i know staying in the car is common sense and the OP should have known better. But the OP has a point. what's the big deal about staying in the car any ways. a real crook could just as easily pull out a gun inside a car while a cop approaches. also what about people walking on the street? if a police decide to question someone walking on the street, is he going to order him to go sit inside a box and put both of his hands against wall or something?
i see nothing wrong if someone calmly walking out of car with both hands clearly visible and not making any threatening moves. it is just as dangerous as someone staying in the car with a gun hidden under his leg

 

[Rockslinger]

i see nothing wrong if someone calmly walking out of car with both hands clearly visible and not making any threatening moves. it is just as dangerous as someone staying in the car with a gun hidden under his leg

I was thinking the same thing. Plus, the guy inside the car might drive over your foot . "Come out of your car slowly. Make sure both your hands are visible."

 

[a 1 player]

The problem is that the officer is in a confined area where he would be unable to take cover, and making defending himself far more difficult.

 

[CapitalGuy]

i know staying in the car is common sense and the OP should have known better. But the OP has a point. what's the big deal about staying in the car any ways. a real crook could just as easily pull out a gun inside a car while a cop approaches. also what about people walking on the street? if a police decide to question someone walking on the street, is he going to order him to go sit inside a box and put both of his hands against wall or something?
i see nothing wrong if someone calmly walking out of car with both hands clearly visible and not making any threatening moves. it is just as dangerous as someone staying in the car with a gun hidden under his leg

Its about more than "just" getting shot. Getting shot, although horrific, is actually one of the last things the cop is worried about. He will stop hundreds, likely thousands of cars during his career, and the vast majority of cops, of course, never get shot. The more common problem is an aggressive, pushy, or violent civilian. If you stay in your car, you can't get in his face. You can't poke your finger in his chest, you can't hit him, you can't kick him, you can't grap his gun, etc. If you are in your car, he has control over your body, as you are restricted to what you can do from inside the car. If you get out of the car, you can do all of the above to him. Remember, the cop doesn't know you from a hole in the ground, and like the rest of us, he doesn't want to get punched or kicked or spit on while at work. You should have stayed in your car. The cop would have seen that you were doing nothing wrong, and left you alone.

 

[jerk chicken]

Its about more than "just" getting shot. Getting shot, although horrific, is actually one of the last things the cop is worried about. He will stop hundreds, likely thousands of cars during his career, and the vast majority of cops, of course, never get shot. The more common problem is an aggressive, pushy, or violent civilian. If you stay in your car, you can't get in his face. You can't poke your finger in his chest, you can't hit him, you can't kick him, you can't grap his gun, etc. If you are in your car, he has control over your body, as you are restricted to what you can do from inside the car. If you get out of the car, you can do all of the above to him. Remember, the cop doesn't know you from a hole in the ground, and like the rest of us, he doesn't want to get punched or kicked or spit on while at work. You should have stayed in your car. The cop would have seen that you were doing nothing wrong, and left you alone.

You telling me to grow up for whaT? I am not the OP. I never approach the cop when they pull me over I know what I am doing. I was simply arguing for the sake of argument. You are the one should grow up and think logically.
By your argument, anyone NOT in the car is a threat to police. Like I said what about people walking on the street then? they can do "all of the above" to any police patrolling the street? so what the fuck? Police are trained for a purpose, they are equipped with weapons and bullet proof vest for a reason. So your telling police on foot patrolling the street were to talk to someone, they should face down on the groundwith hands over their heads? maybe handcuffed too just so the police can feel safe and have the absolute upper hand? even if the person showed no sign of aggression? they cannot just stand there facing police and have a normal respectful conversation?
I just dont see why the rules change just because it is car situation.

 

[Mongrel4u]

I get off the phone, out of the car and walk back to the cruiser to see what the issue is. The cops bounces out of the car, had on his weapon and orders me back to my car. I

You never EVER so that...especially at 1am.

Next time just stay in the car

 

[Mongrel4u]

i know staying in the car is common sense and the OP should have known better. But the OP has a point. what's the big deal about staying in the car any ways. a real crook could just as easily pull out a gun inside a car while a cop approaches. also what about people walking on the street? if a police decide to question someone walking on the street, is he going to order him to go sit inside a box and put both of his hands against wall or something?
i see nothing wrong if someone calmly walking out of car with both hands clearly visible and not making any threatening moves. it is just as dangerous as someone staying in the car with a gun hidden under his leg

Because when you are out of the car and he is in the car...you have the upper hand. Plus, its too easy to just bolt at any time...Also... if you notice, next time you are pulled over...the cops approach you and stand at an angle that would make it very hard for you to do anything if in fact you did have a gun in your hand.

you have no idea what cops have to put up with in situations like that (the pull over)

 

[Mongrel4u]

You telling me to grow up for whaT? I am not the OP. I never approach the cop when they pull me over I know what I am doing. I was simply arguing for the sake of argument. You are the one should grow up and think logically.
By your argument, anyone NOT in the car is a threat to police. Like I said what about people walking on the street then? they can do "all of the above" to any police patrolling the street? so what the fuck? Police are trained for a purpose, they are equipped with weapons and bullet proof vest for a reason. So your telling police on foot patrolling the street were to talk to someone, they should face down on the groundwith hands over their heads? they cannot just stand there facing police and have a normal respectful conversation?
I just dont see why the rules change just because it is car situation.

You're right.. someone could do anything if they were questioned on foot but since there is no car to confine them in they gotta work with what they have.

If there is an option there to make things safer why not use it?

Further, if you are in a car and you get pulled over; it could be due to speeding, negligent driving, disobeying traffic laws....people who have done "something" tend to drive somewhat erratic afterwords...and sometimes do odd things like pull over to the side of the road at 1am. Now I'm not saying that because you were speeding or cut someone off that means you just finished jacking someone..but thats sometimes a telltale sign. So right off the bat you know that this could potentially be something.

if someone is one the street and did something wrong, rest assured the cop will put them in vulnerable position...and its usually sitting n the curb..a seat...or they'll back him against a wall and surround him

 

[CapitalGuy]

You telling me to grow up for whaT? I am not the OP. I never approach the cop when they pull me over I know what I am doing. I was simply arguing for the sake of argument. You are the one should grow up and think logically.
By your argument, anyone NOT in the car is a threat to police. Like I said what about people walking on the street then? they can do "all of the above" to any police patrolling the street? so what the fuck? Police are trained for a purpose, they are equipped with weapons and bullet proof vest for a reason. So your telling police on foot patrolling the street were to talk to someone, they should face down on the groundwith hands over their heads? maybe handcuffed too just so the police can feel safe and have the absolute upper hand? even if the person showed no sign of aggression? they cannot just stand there facing police and have a normal respectful conversation?
I just dont see why the rules change just because it is car situation.

Ya I was talking to the OP not you, relax.

As for the street scenario, it's a red herring. The fact that cops stop people walking on the street and can't directly control them as easily as they can someone in a car, does not mean they should not take advantage of the control and safety advantages that present themselves when someone is sitting in a car. The cop wants to go home to his wife and kids at the end of the shift, and preventing a potentially violent confrontation is thus a good thing.

 

[Mongrel4u]

The cop wants to go home to his wife and kids at the end of the shift, and preventing a potentially violent confrontation is thus a good thing.

I think many people forget that cops are people too...they have spouses, kids, parent....they mow the lawn, have a mortgage and go to dollar days sales at No Frills.... and like everyone else...they dont want to get shot, or stabbed or attacked either (eventhough their job is a dangerous one)

 

[tboy]

i know staying in the car is common sense and the OP should have known better. But the OP has a point. what's the big deal about staying in the car any ways. a real crook could just as easily pull out a gun inside a car while a cop approaches. also what about people walking on the street? if a police decide to question someone walking on the street, is he going to order him to go sit inside a box and put both of his hands against wall or something?
i see nothing wrong if someone calmly walking out of car with both hands clearly visible and not making any threatening moves. it is just as dangerous as someone staying in the car with a gun hidden under his leg

Re: Being in the car with a gun under his leg.

1) It would be near impossible to shoot the cop from the driver's seat (accurately). The cop only needs to move to the back of the stopped vehicle to be out of the line of fire.
2) there are lots of restraints in the vehicle. The steering wheel prevents someone from easily turning around, the seatbelt, etc etc.
3) The cop can generally see the occupant of a stopped vehicle easier than the driver of the stopped vehicle can see the cop. If the cop sees the driver fumbling around with something in his lap, you can guarantee he'll come out with his gun drawn.

As for driving over the cop's foot. The cops watch the tail lights. If the driver doesn't put it in park, he won't see the white backup lights flash. (this only works with an automatic however). If he sees the brake lights on and the engine running, he knows it's still in gear. In the US, they order you to turn off your vehicle before they get out of theirs.

Yes, everyone has the right to avoid illegal search and seizure. Just like everyone else has the right to live in a non-violent, crime free society. Unfortunately we need police to protect us from those that would commit crimes.

When you get into a vehicle and drive, you automatically subject yourself to being stopped, detained, and questioned by the police since it is part of their job to insure that anyone driving, has a valid driver's licence, proper insurance, and proper registration.

The excuse "I wasn't doing anything wrong" is BS. As stated, How the F does the cop know what you're doing? The female could be held against her will, you could be smoking up, you could be cracking a beer, you could be doing lines, you could be getting ready to pull a heist, and frankly, stopping at the side of the road at 3 am is a little out of the ordinary to begin with so of course a cop will stop and check to make sure nothing untoward is going on. Stop at the side of a road at noon? The cop would probably pass you by without a second glance....

Edit: sorry Mongrel, didn't realize you'd already posted most of what I repeated......I hit quote on page 5.....

 

[fmahovalich]

Not To Mention

Most people stay in their cars.

So with the poster getting lout...what is he up to ? Why is he being 'different? Is he trying to distract the officer away from the car? Does he NOT want the officer to see inside the car?

By getting out og th ecar you are being ABNORMAL, which raises the suspicion of the copper.

 

[Aardvark154]

i know staying in the car is common sense and the OP should have known better. But the OP has a point. what's the big deal about staying in the car any ways. a real crook could just as easily pull out a gun inside a car while a cop approaches. also what about people walking on the street? if a police decide to question someone walking on the street, is he going to

The next time you have a chance watch how the police approach a car with people in it.

Police will frequently tell members of such groups to "take your hands out of your pockets" This is a perfectly valid safety issue command.

 

[Aardvark154]

Ok, so why is it that I am treated like a criminal and I have to act a certain way?

The Canadian constitution clearly spells out the rights and responsibilities, including my right of not being randomly detained, which is really why I was pissed.

I have the right to ask why I am being detained, the cop has the duty/obligation to both identify himself and explain why I was being detained. Since I was not under arrest, I was not at all impressed that the cop was ordering me to my car, which IMHO was not a lawful command.

Although you have a right to be told why you are being detained - that doesn't mean you have that right in the middle of being detained, while the Constable is trying to determine who you are and what is going on. Rather like your “right” to make a phone call.

 

[oldjones]

If you don't like how the cop is doing her job, complain. But let her finish the job. Complaining during is obstructive, and she's trained to deal with obstructive behaviour by intimidation, physical force and criminal charges.

Unless you, yourself have police training, judging that a constable's indulging in drama during the incident is smug, self-serving and can only make for trouble. As it seem it did. She's the pro, give her that due.

To repeat, you can complain—at the appropriate time and to the appropriate folks—and we hope, get better-behaved cops as a result. At least that's the Citizenship 101 theory.

And if it doesn't work it's because 101 Citizens like yourself haven't formed a political movement to Have the Police Treat Everyone As If They Were Honest and Harmless. Or a movement to Give Police the Scope they Need but Investigate the Shit Out of Them If They Screw Up.

Either one would put you at odds with most of the law enforcement posts on this board.

 

[tboy]

Ok, so why is it that I am treated like a criminal and I have to act a certain way?.........

I can't believe I missed this....

Why? Social norms, etiquette, proper behaviour. Those that don't abide by those norms end up in prison, tazed, or condemned as social rejects.

THink of it this way:

If you went to a strip club and were sitting in pervert's row, the dancer comes up and shakes her booty in front of you, what do you think would happen to you if you stuck your finger in her ass up to the 2nd knuckle?

You just don't do it, that's why.......

 

[jerk chicken]

I think many people forget that cops are people too...they have spouses, kids, parent....they mow the lawn, have a mortgage and go to dollar days sales at No Frills.... and like everyone else...they dont want to get shot, or stabbed or attacked either (eventhough their job is a dangerous one)

i know cops are people too, they are just as easily corrupt. I guess the uniform and oath dont mean much eh? when there is easy profit, they go after it, when there is possible danger, they run and hide. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=250840

 

[Mongrel4u]

Ok JC you are taking this thread sideways now..but....

If you must make the following comment

i know cops are people too, they are just as easily corrupt. I guess the uniform and oath dont mean much eh? when there is easy profit, they go after it, when there is possible danger, they run and hide. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=250840

then sure.... just like any other group there ARE some bad ones. But Please dont paint them all with the same brush because there are some great ones

Hey you`d assume that being a Doctor (for example) would mean that the guy is a somewhat of a straight shooting ethical guy...its a job with a lot of responsibility...BUT there are a few doctors out there that you dont want putting their hands on you even in the slightest.

 

[Aardvark154]

if it doesn't work it's because 101 Citizens like yourself haven't formed a political movement to Have the Police Treat Everyone As If They Were Honest and Harmless.

I've always found it very instructive when Bar Associations have a police training simulation put on for members. There really is a lot of "bad stuff" out there that the police have to be aware of, and three o'clock in the morning is a time when they are likely to see it.

As I presume we agree Oldjones - there is a significant and important difference between the Police treating the public with respect and the Constable taking the appropriate self-protective measures to make it probable that they will be returning home after work.