Dancers Attitude Towards C-36

[Keebler Elf]

People keep quoting Vancouver but that may be totally irrelevant to anyone not living in Vancouver.

At the end of the day it's going to come down to complaints. If people complain, the police will start to investigate. The problem is there will ALWAYS be someone complaining, even if it's a jealous dancer/MPA/escort from another club/spa/agency. You get enough complaints, the police will get involved.

Also, if a town wants to drive out the local strip club, this is a means to do it.

For everywhere else, so long as no one complains then not much will change.

 

[Keebler Elf]

I also know some ladies are looking at other options.

I'd love that. I've been wanting some dancers to become MPA's/SP's and this may do it.

 

[pun38]

Many good cops are after that but there are wimpy pussy ass cops more interested in asserting authority over terrified girls and embarrassed customers than risking get shot by bad guys.

Because this is exactly what people see coming. And rightly so. There are plenty of cops exactly like this who'll be looking for a thrilling night of scaring people and possibly getting some quick easy charges to add to their nightly quotas.

Also, regarding constantly quoting VPD, seriously, its another police force in a city in another province entirely. They have nothing to do with enforcement in Ontario. Until we see a public quote from Toronto Police, Peel Regional, York Regional, and the OPP, don't just assume everyone will act like the VPD...we can hope they will, but if they're not saying they will, then don't be naive.

The best advice is to just use caution and don't do anything risky or stupid that could put you in an embarrassing situation...

 

[IM469]

The best advice is to just use caution and don't do anything risky or stupid that could put you in an embarrassing situation...

Well that would rule out VIP dances entirely. If it was a girl I knew .... are they going to sneak up stairs to catch us ?

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

Actually not to long ago Toronto Police force expressed the same guiding Principles as Vancouver ..... they just have not published anything yet about it.

 

[wangbang]

Well that would rule out VIP dances entirely.

My philosophy has been to avoid being the low hanging fruit. So for me, the VIP is the one place that I am taking some time off initially. Not changing my SP habits but am changing my s/c habits until I get a sense of things.

 

[tom tom]

My philosophy has been to avoid being the low hanging fruit. So for me, the VIP is the one place that I am taking some time off initially. Not changing my SP habits but am changing my s/c habits until I get a sense of things.

You may have it backwards. The legislation was prompted by the Supreme Court to provide prostitutes with greater 'safety of person'. Genious MacKay figures 'that's easy ... I'll just abolish prostitution'. How? By eliminating the means: no advertising or operating in public places for her ... and no procuring by you. If you get caught, you end up with a criminal record and could face up to 5 years in prison with a fine of up to $4000. The new law provides greater risks to pimps and johns (that's now you) than it does to prostitutes and strip club operators.

So doesn't that make your SP activites the low-hanging fruit? SC's are incidental to what got this ball rolling. I don't think anyone knows yet how SC's will be affected by the new law. A lot will depend on how this law comes to be administered. My personal guess is that SC's will be minimally affected. But I could be 100% right or 100% wrong.

 

[wangbang]

You may have it backwards.

I disagree totally. It is much easier to be seen and caught in a VIP than in a girl's private condo. Far easier for a cop to see you getting blown and paying in a s/c.

The low hanging fruit, imo, are those doing things that are easily caught. You are much more likely to be caught in an s/c, with a streetwaker or in an MP. I've never done the latter two.

 

[legmann]

I was in CA earlier and chatting to a few girls. There seems to be some concern / panic over C-13 and Dec 5th. One dancer told me that they are going back to air dances (and the $5 they use to cost?), another dancer told me that a lot of her friends are not even going to show up until they figure out if it's safe

This, to me, sounds like nothing more than a bunch of extremely misinformed and frightened dancers who haven't bothered to familiarize themselves with even the basics of the new legal changes, and liabilities they themselves face.

As for dancers returning to $5 dances (and no more menu) - that is never going to happen. The majority have become far too accustomed to the income and lifestyle it affords to ever return to a regime they've never even known.

 

[magnus666]

As for dancers returning to $5 dances (and no more menu) - that is never going to happen. The majority have become far too accustomed to the income and lifestyle it affords to ever return to a regime they've never even known.

For $5 dances, they might as well go work at a fast food joint. Assuming that the volume stays the same that would be a 75% pay cut. But of course the kind of dances you can get for $5 won't be that appealing either, so volume would also go down. Guess more like an 85% pay cut.

 

[rhuarc29]

For $5 dances, they might as well go work at a fast food joint. Assuming that the volume stays the same that would be a 75% pay cut. But of course the kind of dances you can get for $5 won't be that appealing either, so volume would also go down. Guess more like an 85% pay cut.

Unless dancers are only dancing 6 minutes out of the hour, I wouldn't recommend a fast food joint.... I would actually consider paying for a table dance at $5, so volume could possibly go up. It's a moot point though. There's no way they're going back to $5 dances. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the $20/dance if forced to go back to table dancing.

 

[58allgood]

cops want the pimps with underage girls , drug dealers, human trafficking,etc. found on backpage ads, they dont give a fuck about strip clubs imho

The cops have already been around to the clubs and issued post Dec 5th guidelines....

 

[magnus666]

Unless dancers are only dancing 6 minutes out of the hour, I wouldn't recommend a fast food joint.... I would actually consider paying for a table dance at $5, so volume could possibly go up. It's a moot point though. There's no way they're going back to $5 dances. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the $20/dance if forced to go back to table dancing.

Don't try and equate payment for stripping with regular wages. If it was simply a question of more money, there would be a lot more hot women taking off their clothes in public. At $500/shift a girl might be willing to let it all hang out at a strip club, but if that becomes a mere $100/shift (still more than 8hrs at a fast food place), the premium for stripping would simply not be worth it for a lot of the dancers. Might as well go back to taking your order at the drive through.

 

[rhuarc29]

Don't try and equate payment for stripping with regular wages. If it was simply a question of more money, there would be a lot more hot women taking off their clothes in public. At $500/shift a girl might be willing to let it all hang out at a strip club, but if that becomes a mere $100/shift (still more than 8hrs at a fast food place), the premium for stripping would simply not be worth it for a lot of the dancers. Might as well go back to taking your order at the drive through.

Even taking money out of it, you think people would rather deal with asshole customers in a hectic fast-food environment for 8 hours rather than deal with asshole customers in a strip club where you work for 6 minutes every 1 hour and have the freedom to come and go as you please?

 

[jimmylikes]

Lol...guidelines?

The cops have already been around to the clubs and issued post Dec 5th guidelines....

 

[legmann]

The cops have already been around to the clubs and issued post Dec 5th guidelines....

Those being?

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

The cops have already been around to the clubs and issued post Dec 5th guidelines....

I would expect so. CLUBS will no longer be able to tolerate blatant sexual activity in the V.I.P. Lounge so visable to any of the public that comes into the club. I do believe Clubs need & will play it straight cause they are open to any of the public to come strolling in.

 

[legmann]

I would expect so. CLUBS will no longer be able to tolerate blatant sexual activity in the V.I.P. Lounge so visable to any of the public that comes into the club. I do believe Clubs need & will play it straight cause they are open to any of the public to come strolling in.

..

 

[richaceg]

I thought it was the johns that had to worry?

lol. if the johns had to worry....who do you think will show up to pay $20 per song if that's the case?

 

[legmann]

What exactly are the legal implications for strip clubs under C36?

(There's been discussion previously, but nothing entirely consistent with the sentiments expressed on this latest thread.)